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Duke of Edinburgh award - bronze

146 replies

Linneasweet · 24/09/2018 21:23

DD want to do this, I been on the info meeting in school but think DD wants to do it for the wrong reasons, she says it will help with uni applications while I like the fact she would do it for the community side and be more responsible. Can someone please explain it for me? Does it help with uni applications?

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Miladymilord · 28/09/2018 18:07

The sport is used as an activity not as volunteering

LimitIsUp · 28/09/2018 18:12

"helping with a junior team etc is volunteering" Actually Milady helping with a junior team is volunteering

LimitIsUp · 28/09/2018 18:12

and not an activity

ErrolTheDragon · 28/09/2018 18:16

Improving your sporting ability, maybe getting an instructors qualification for yourself would be an activity component. Using this to coach younger kids would be volunteering. Similar thing could apply in the 'skills' section (eg maybe learn to code, then help run a coding club). It's all good -but as an end in itself not to tick a non existent box.

BackInTime · 29/09/2018 00:41

In theory this is how it should work but in many schools it is actively encouraged to make your existing activities fit. This also means that those that can afford to pay for lots of extra curricular stuff are at an advantage.

BubblesBuddy · 29/09/2018 09:03

Yes but there are lots of things DSs could do regarding volunteering that don’t cost money. Most children do some skill or can pursue something. DofE has always been MC though. My friend learnt to pilot a glider for her Gold. Her parents paid for that. In those days Gold was special and it probably helped her get to med school. However I believe universities should ignore most of it! Especially if it’s paid for.

QuantumGroan · 29/09/2018 09:27

My friend cleaned toilets in the hospital to get a place in Medical school - she was/is clever, hard working and cared about people.

LimitIsUp · 29/09/2018 14:32

As it happens my ds left for his practice expedition today. 1.5 hours drive to get him there! Fortunate that he has sunny weather for it

notacooldad · 29/09/2018 20:24

I hadn't intended to come up back on here as we just seem to be going round in circles but there is something that is bothering me.

Firstly someone is saying that the school are more or less shoehorns the children in to doing an activity. I don't understand why some parents are allowing this. You are paying a fortune. The award is about what your child wants to do and has the right to say 'actually, I don't want to play rugby, lacrosse, cricket whatever as my physical I want to be able to play hockey. This is how I am going to plan it.

As a parent have you not found out what it is about and what they can do. Even the expedition shouldn't be pre arranged by the school. The young people are supposed to submit a route that meets the criteria for the award. It states how long the journey should last each day. The young people should have a plan about the purpose of the exped and then do a presentation afterwards. This is what they set out to learn whether it is about different trees in an area, local geology, whatever. It is not about walking for 6 miles or what ever, it is supposed to have an aim. If not, you should be questioning why?
exped info www.dofe.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/programme_ideas_-_expedition.pdf

Here are some volunteering ideas
vwww.dofe.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/programme_ideas_-_volunteering.pdfolunteering

Here are some skill ideas
skillls www.dofe.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/programme_ideas_-_skills.pdf

Here are some physical activites
physicalwww.dofe.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/programme_ideas_-_physical.pdf

This was interesting My DDs went to a small school and the vast majority did Bronze DofE. The point for them was that they gave back to the younger school community and in younger DD's case, to her dancing school and the younger children's classes

Im not sure I understand this. Are you saying the school decided what the point of the D of E was? It can't decide what it wants the D of E to be about as D of E has its own statement about what it stands for

www.dofe.org/our-vision-mission-and-guiding-principles/

It makes no difference to university applications but posters seem to be saying that MC children should not do it, only the deserving poor or some unidentified underclass
Who on earth has said that? The good thing about this award is that it is inclusive and everyone can have the opportunity to take part, not just MC kids, not just kids from a deprived background. I would agree that in some cases kids from a wealthier background may have the chance to do more expensive physical activities or be able to access different skills but the principal is the same. Every child should have the same chance to take part in the award.
Over the years I have run several different groups simultaneously. I have worked with a special needs school and got a group through the award. Sure some concessions were made, they didn't have to carry their rucksack on the exped and they had help on the walk.. This is allowed During the same period I worked with a private school where I hardly needed to do anything as they were highly motivated and high achievers. Both groups deserved their award. Both groups were rightly pleased with themselves, as they should.

I really hope my links have worked but if not they are all available on the website.

I would suggest that those who are paying schools to get their children through the award have a look at the website and if you feel your child is made to fit what the school wants challenge it if it doesn't suit their needs or wants. As I keep saying, this award won't change the world but it will hopefully create some skills, teach some lessons and make happy memories if it is done right.

I think I'm done, I'm even boring myself now!!!!!!

notacooldad · 29/09/2018 21:25

Sorry about the bad grammar. It seemed to make sense when it was on my phone!!

notacooldad · 29/09/2018 21:37

Some links didn't work. If they don't work this time I give up but it would be useful for parents whose kids are about to start the award to look at.

Volunteering
www.dofe.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/programme_ideas_-_volunteering.pdf

physical
www.dofe.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/programme_ideas_-_physical.pdf
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Linneasweet · 29/09/2018 23:47

Thank you all for your posts, I have read them all and made up my own mind. In the meantime my daughter made up hers which in this case is the the same as mine: she will not do it as a)it would cost us just over £145 b) with her already busy gsce schedule, various school activities and existing volunteer work she just won't have time c) she hates camps/ camping/exibitions. For the last 6 years she had the same uni course in mind and knows what she wants to do and i am pretty sure that d of e wouldn't count for much in it. It have been great to get feedback from you so thank you !

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ErrolTheDragon · 30/09/2018 00:17

That sounds like a sensible decision for her, sounds like she's doing plenty already that suits her. Smile

BubblesBuddy · 30/09/2018 09:29

Well it has all got a bit intense! There are Group after group of DofE teens that come past our house. Not one has worked out their own route! There is a check point at the pond in our village. They have pre destined camping areas for safety. There isn’t a choice of routes. I wouldn’t suggest anyone did it on the basis of the above explanation and I’m happy with my DDs making time for others. As they still do in adult life.

notacooldad · 30/09/2018 10:07

I don't think anything has got intense.
Ive just been trying to give people facts and options for people to make up their own mind to see if the award is the right thing for their child and to question what they are actually getting for the money. I'm just pointing out they don't have to jump on the schools plan and be a clone of everyone else. No wonder some kids don't enjoy the award if they have to along with a pre -determined plan.

Miladymilord · 30/09/2018 10:12

Boarding schools do dofe so of course there's going to be more school involvement there.

LimitIsUp · 30/09/2018 19:48

My ds is back from his practice expedition. Tbh I am glad that there are check points and he had to camp at a proper campsite - he is only 14. I am happier for them to go off piste and do more challenging expeditions for silver and gold - when he and his peers are older (and critically where boys are concerned) more mature

It was still a reasonable challenge in terms of map reading and navigating and lugging very heavy rucksacks over a considerable distance. He's knackered.

Llvzd14 · 30/09/2018 19:52

Hi I’ve completed all d of e and it’s such an amazing experience to do this. I managed to do my expedition in France and I will never forget it. Although probably won’t help on her uni applications but it will help her in job hunting. Since I had my 2 children I wanted to get back into work n the place where I got my job was very keen that I completed the d of e.

Llvzd14 · 30/09/2018 19:56

I completed my silver d of e at 15 n on silver they are not allowed to check on you and we were in France although we had there phone number incase of emergency they did ring up campsites where we were to go make sure we arrived. I were meant to go do my gold in India but unfortunately didn’t get selected so ended up doing it in the Peak District

voddiekeepsmesane · 30/09/2018 20:02

DS has gone through the whole Beavers/Cubs/Scouts and is now in the Explorers. He is doing Bronze DofE through school. The expedition will be a walk in the park and as far as DS is concerned a lot of fun. It has been the other three areas that have been good for him especially the volunteering. We (his dad and me) have been a support but have expected him to do it all for himself, finding somewhere to volunteer, choosing what physical and practical to do. I know that a lot of his friends parents are doing all the leg work for them. I suppose at 14 if they have not had independence in any way similar before then really they have no clue so the parents would step in.

I truly hope that he will go on to do Silver and Gold either through school or the Scouts but that will be up to him. IMO bronze is really not worthy of mentioning in a university PS , maybe silver is worth a mention but definitely gold would be in HTH

BubblesBuddy · 30/09/2018 23:07

Gold doesn’t get you anywhere with universities if you don’t get the required A levels. My DDs friend had it and had no university offers at all. 6th form scholar too! Do it if you are interested but don’t expect universities to be impressed. They would rather you spent the time and effort on your subject plus doing standard hobbies to show you can juggle your time.

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