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To go alongside the thread about all girls schools: are there any advantages to educating your son in a single sex school?

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himalayansalt · 10/09/2018 18:40

If you like an all boys school, what makes you feel that way?

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Xenia · 13/09/2018 07:55

It will be fine either way. It was certainly not the biggest factor in our choice of school. It sounds like the co-ed is good.

I and my children were all absolutely delighted to give up all but 3 or 4 subjects at 16 and some of my children had their only B in their language at GCSE and hated doing a language so I am not always sure having to keep up more subjects and doing an IB is best for everyone. My daughter's old school - North London Collegiate - i think does both you can either choose A levels or IB.

Annandale · 13/09/2018 08:04

I'm fine with my son's mixed school but one of the reasons i avoided another mixed school was that the entire A-level art class was female. Ds is good at art and it just rang the wrong bells for me. 'Accidentally' single sex classes at a big mixed school simply shouldn't happen.

MinaPaws · 13/09/2018 08:41

@brisk Our DC are at a boys' school (private day school) Lots of the boys are STEM-inclined, and the school insists on all three sciences to GCSE, which doesn't suit them all. But English and humanities subjects are also terrifcally popular in sixth form. They have a lot of PPE candidates at A level. Maybe not as many as STEM, but at least three classes' worth.

elena7475 · 13/09/2018 09:04

I am sure science is compulsory for GCSE. Some schools insist on triple science (a little bit harder then double science and include extra work to do). Both sciences include all three: physics, chemistry and biology.

Racecardriver · 13/09/2018 09:08

Single sex boys schools tend to have the highest teaching standards of all thelree options as a general rule in my experience.

InfiniteCurve · 13/09/2018 10:11

In my area (Kent) as a general rule the grammars are single sex and the non selectives are mixed which adds a whole extra level to consider.
My DDs first headteacher ( non selective,mixed school,and she was an excellent head) thought that mixed schools were good for girls because the boys tended to be more laid back with regard to studying,while girls tended to be perfectionist and more obsessive about getting it right and it helped them to see you could achieve without total obsession.And she thought single sex for boys.She had one of each herself.

I went to a single sex school,and the biggest advantage was that we had no gender stereotyping of subjects.But it's interesting that the argument that no gender stereotyping of subjects is a plus seems accompanied by the idea that a gender based teaching style is also a plus - how does that work,really?Separation for STEM subjects,I can see the advantage.But humanities taught with a girl or boy bias sounds awful,both as a parent and an ex girl with very non stereotypical interests.

Xenia · 13/09/2018 10:47

Infinite, one of my sons found the "boy" emphasis sometimes a bit much at his boys' school - eg he hates all sports including football and rugby so if your English teachers pick books that will appeal to boys who like that (not an unreasonable thing to do if you want most of the class interested in the subject) then he felt that was a bit sexist but I am sure he coped.

Rumboogie · 13/09/2018 10:58

My son went to an all-boys selective secondary that expanded and amalgamated with the selective girls' school about halfway through his school career.

When it was an all-boys school the boys did everything - arts, cooking, humanities, music, and they had superb choirs, orchestras and musical groups. As soon as the girls joined, gender stereotyping began, and almost all the boys dropped out of music and the choirs, especially, the standard of which dropped dramatically.

My son, a keen musician and singer, in later years toured all the classes with the very popular barbershop group to try to recruit more boys to the choirs, and out of a school of 1100, only 2 boys joined!

I used to be a fan of co-ed, but my opinion has changed and I now think boys, especially, need a protected environment to flourish and be themselves, as education nowadays is so slanted towards girls in pace and learning style.

TJsAunt · 13/09/2018 12:32

am going to second Infinitecurve's dd's headteacher!

I have one of each.

ds goes to a boys' school because he needed to be among like minded souls. Girls are generally so much harder working at this age that he would have been comfortably below average in a mixed school. Comparing himself to other boys gives him a boost. The whole ethos of the school is to get boys interested in stuff whether that's academia, sport or anything else - and so far it's really working for him.

dd goes to a mixed school for the same reason! She is a hard working, competitive child and I just think an all girls school might have intensified that whereas she is seeing that it's ok to get stuff wrong as long as you have a go.

Seeline · 13/09/2018 12:41

IME it's not the actually content of the lesson that is changed depending on the sex of the student, more the approach and style of teaching. It's an ethos-type thing.
DS did Romeo and Juliet for GCSE which might be seen as a more 'girly' play with themes of love etc. But as said upthread, he has had fantastic opportunities singing which I am sure he wouldn't have ever approached in a mixed environment.
I went to an all girls grammar 30 years ago. I took maths and physics as two of my A levels - because I enjoyed them. They were on offer, I took them. When I went on to do my degree, the general chit-chat amongst Freshers always included what A levels you had done. I was told several times that I couldn't have done those as I was a girl. I was stunned - I couldn't grasp the concept of why I couldn't have done them. They were subjects like any other subject? That's why my DD goes to a girls school.

sazzy5 · 13/09/2018 13:25

My DS go to a selective private all boys school. We liked the fact that lessons like English are aimed at boys to keep their interest. It works really well. They can also use their vast experience to cope with the boys work ethic (especially when young) and the need to blow of steam either on the rugby pitch or in the music room. It really works for my boys. Having said that there are plenty of interactions with the local girls schools, so they don't miss out on the girls too much.

pacer142 · 13/09/2018 13:31

My DS is at a boy's school. We didn't set out to look for one, both me and OH went to mixed, but given the choice we had, we felt it was the best school for him for other reasons. 5 years on from starting and he's happy there - the boys are in an environment where they can just be themselves, very little bullying, and the academic achievements are very high. He had to travel with girls on service buses and says he hates the journey as the girls are bickering with each other and flicking their hair for the boys and his school friends are acting up and being loud/boistrous to attract the girls - he's said many times he's glad they don't have girls in the classrooms as the same boys are a lot quieter and well behaved in his school but completely change on the bus with the girls. So a big thumbs up from us.

ToesInWater · 13/09/2018 13:58

I'm in Sydney where most public (State) schools are co-ed but the majority of private schools are single sex. There tends to be boy and girl school "pairings" for social events, plays etc.

Xenia · 13/09/2018 14:20

I think at prep school my sons got outside more every day - probably more physical stuff than most mixed primaries and that was a good thing (and indeed for girls too - running around outside and dominating the playground if you want to as girls amongst only girls and climbing your trees and the like [ I just came in from the garden having taken down a tree myself with my saw by the way - not saying that is due to having gone to a single sex school of course; my mother was very good at garden stuff so probably from her]...

Kilash · 13/09/2018 17:22

My son is at a state all boys school. yes, it is heavy on discipline and yes it is competitive, but what i like is the that the boys aren't sterotyped. Humanaties are taught well - often younger boys struggle because texts are very 'girl orientated' e.g in English. (by the time they got to GCSE they were ready for Romeo and Juliet!). Drama and Food Tech similarly and I loved seeing all the tough rugby boys agonising over thier choux pastry at GCSE time.

There is plenyt of female influence within the teaching staff and the school is mixed at 6th form. the school has done my son proud. Before he went I would never envisoned sending him to a single sex school. If the school is the right 'fit for your child it will work wether it's single sex or mixed.

Decorhate · 13/09/2018 21:32

I agree with what Kilash said. When we were looking around, the local mixed school only had half a dozen boys doing Food Tech for GCSE, the all boys school had two forms doing it.

There is probably more scope to find people you get on with because there is more choice.

Helenluvsrob · 13/09/2018 21:46

Boys schools allow boys to do anything they want without it being labelled a “ girl thing “ or a “ boy thing”. DS sang treble. I have no doubt he wouldn’t have sung at secondary school if there were teenage girls singing as well. He found it hard enough at primary in a mixed choir.
It was easier to study arts subjects as not pigeonholed into sciences too.

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