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DS didn't pass 11+ - how to feel less sad about upcoming school allocation

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PersonAtHome · 26/02/2018 20:46

DS1 passed the 11+ and is happy and thriving at the local grammar school.

DS2 narrowly missed the pass score and so he won't be going.

I feel utterly miserable about the upcoming school allocations on the 1st March because none of the options on our form are anywhere near the standard of the local grammar. I feel like one child will have a good future and the other won't and I just feel so utterly disappointed at how it's worked out and worried about the standard of education that DS2 will receive.

Anyone else going through or been through similar?

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CalmDownAndBreathe · 27/02/2018 16:58

OK here's something I tell all my friends who freak out about schools, universities, etc. I am from a very small town in the state of Haryana in India. I did my bachelors' degree in one of the most notorious colleges of the state and by the way, Haryana is called the Texas of India for a very good reason or two.
At this point in time in my life, I am an independent consultant making more than enough money with a fantastic family and brilliant friends. So in essence, getting into a renowned school or college is not the be all and end all. What matters is what you put in once you are in A school/college. What matters is what you make of your life while you are still shaping it and while your parents and teachers tell you how to shape it.

Our DCs have gone through some pain, I admit, in getting through the 11+. However, not getting through to any of the schools or to your desired school should not stop them as achievers.

They are 11 and the only thing they should be worried about is a) What outdoor games to play b) what to eat c) how to pretend to study when mom/dad breathes down their necks.

Hope I helped.

Mishappening · 27/02/2018 17:03

The most important thing here is not to let him pick up on your disappointment and concerns. He must not feel a failure. And his brother must also be on the same page.

This is the problem with the 11+.

I passed it many moons ago when everyone took it and some of my friends "failed" - it was so divisive.

ChocolateWombat · 27/02/2018 17:06

Do you live in a fully selective area or is it an area with a few super selectives who admit regardless if area, on scores in rank order?

It makes a big difference to what the other schools are like in terms of ability range. In a fully selective area, the Sec Mods (and they are Sec Mods not Comorehensives because they don't have the full ability range) might be the lower 70% of ability based on what the test showed. In an area with few Grammars and where people travel miles to get a place, any non Grammar might still have 90%+ of the ability range - still not technically true Comps, but close to it.

I assume your area didn't have the Headteacher appeal system or you would have used it. Have you spoken to his school about if they have evidence to support an appeal - SATs predictions and the levels he achieved last year, other tests or classwork?

I guess you have to decide if you want to go through all this - you can, without even telling him, but it keeps the issue and the pain open for you, while it might be best to accept the situation and move forward to seeing the positives.

This will hurt a lot over the next week when allocations come out and people talk about it. If no-one else is going to a similar school from his school, you will feel different through the rest if the year - you just have to get into a positive mindset.

I wonder how much of your pain is about the other parents at the school? Saying you're going back to State seems to make you feel awkward and I guess that going to the non selective option makes it feel worse. You should recognise that you're probably hyper sensitive to others' reactions and even if most don't know much about the state options, they probably aren't despising you - absolutely don't apologise or suggest it is second choice or that you think it less good than their options. Always present it with a smile and the positives. Often people don't know what to say or how to react if you yourself seem disappointed with what you have got. And one other good thing, in an Independent, national offers day means far less - many won't have applied for State or even know the offers come out this week, so the big chat won't be about it....that phase may have already passed an independent school offers are already made.

When you get your offer, if there's a chance to go for another look, then do. Go determined to see the positives and to be positive for your DS. Even if you decide to appeal or go on waiting lists of others, it's good to work on the positives if the current situation for both yourself and son.

And do you know, as an aside, for all the threads about moving to Grammar areas, if this is a school in a fully selective area, I think this thread is a useful reminder for people considering those areas - what has happened to Op happens to very many people in those areas.

starryeyed19 · 27/02/2018 17:07

Would he not get into the grammar school on the sibling rule?

BubblesBuddy · 27/02/2018 17:20

No secondary modern I know, and I live in a fully selective country, has no high achievers at all.

People make the fundamental mistake of thinking county wide (so not super selective) take all the higher achieving children. They absolutely do not! The secondary moderns or comprehensives have plenty of them.

However, op, you need to look at what progress the children are making in the school you get allocated. Raw results and past inspections will not tell you all you need to know. There’s a lot more involved than that!

Ivebeenaroundtheblock · 27/02/2018 17:26

Could you supplement your child’s education with extra tutoring and additional sport from home? Prepare him for the next stage of education?

Chewbecca · 27/02/2018 17:29

starry grammars don't have sibling rules.

Is there any possibility of private secondary, either now or (maybe more realistically) as a fall back in a couple of years if his school isn't working out?

Taffeta · 27/02/2018 17:37

Some grammars do have siblings as part of their oversubscription criteria, but only if they pass.

But if DC1 gets in on appeal, DC2 if he passes can qualify for the oversubscription sibling rule.

LadyLapsang · 27/02/2018 19:00

So where are his fellow pupils going if they have not passed the 11 plus? Independent secondary? Would that be an option?

PersonAtHome · 01/03/2018 09:07

Offers day today and we got the third choice school, I haven't told DS2 yet as he's going to be very disappointed. I feel miserable today, as expected.

Independent school - we could just about scrape the money together but it really would be scraping it. More problematic is the fact that my husband doesn't agree with the idea of private school. Also DS1 isn't helping as he's embracing socialism and communism at the moment and is always going on about the horrors of elitist private education! So it would be very challenging to go for this option.

I'm not sure if the grammar is selective or super selective but it admits pupils from a fairly wide area (different towns but still near our town) and takes those with the highest scores so from your description ChocolateWombat I think that means super selective?

Re an appeal - we appealed and won a place at the grammar for DS1 so that would make me uncomfortable about appealing again for DS2. Also, DS2 isn't that bothered about going there (though he felt very disappointed not to pass as he felt like a failure compared to his brother and peers at school). The disappointment is mine, not his (which is good in one way), but I feel that a 10 year old doesn't know what is best for him re school quality and education and (thankfully) doesn't fully understand the opportunity he's missed out on.

I think I need to try and embrace the positives about where he's going and try and trust that he'll do ok. I find this challenging - mainly because of my own experiences of school (came out with way less GCSE's than I should have done because of being moved to a dodgy inner city school). DS2 seems so much like me - easily distracted and unlikely to study or work hard unless the school is strict.

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PhilODox · 01/03/2018 09:19

Ok- accept the place you have been offered. Call the school you want (the comp that was your preferred choice) and find out what position on the waiting list he is. Get on the waiting list.

Get behind the school allocated 100%- you need to present a positive face to DS- children are anxious about the transfer even when they get their first choice. Big up all the positive aspects of change to secondary- bigger pool of friends, burgeoning independence, growing up etc.
Your attitude will make the transfer a success, no matter which school he walks through the doors of come September.

BertrandRussell · 01/03/2018 09:50

I’ve had one at grammar and one at a secondary modern. I think the key thing is to decide what you think the grammar can provide that the other school doesn’t and take steps to provide it. For my ds it was music and drama. The school we assumed he would go to did lots of both-the school he went to didn’t. So we found a youth theatre and musical outlets.

Don’t worry about the academic side-unless it is a catastrophically failing school they’ll have that covered. But you might have to keep a closer eye on it than you would at a grammar school.

Most of my ds’s friends had gone to the grammar school, and I worked quite hard at helping him maintain those friendships, with the help of some of their mothers. He had lots of people he knew and got on with at his school but because there a very small number of high achievers, he missed having an academic peer group. But keeping outside friends helped with that. I’m not going to pretend he had it as easy as he would have done if he had gone to the grammar school with his mates, but it was perfectly fine. I just had to help him manage things more than I would have done if things had been different.

BertrandRussell · 01/03/2018 10:01

Forgot to say- it’s really important to have the older one onside too. Very easy for there to be either triumphalism or excessive sympathy. I’ve seen both! My dd got quite upset at one point because many of her friends and their parents were horrified at the news and didn’t hold back Angry and she got really worried about what was going to happen to her little brother......

be47 · 01/03/2018 11:32

It's worth remembering that wherever both your DC end up parental support and engagement is one of the things that makes a HUGE difference for how a child does.

By putting on a positive front you're showing that you're exactly the kind of parent who is going to support your DC with their education, and that can make the difference between kids at a 'worse' school who achieve their potential and those who don't. I wish all the parents of my year 11s were as invested as you are, it really does have an impact!

(Obviously not saying the teachers don't matter, clearly they do, but supportive parents are so invaluable)

Middleoftheroad · 01/03/2018 11:33

I feel for you OP. Last year one twin got into gs one did not and was initially offered local failing school. It cut hard to have one twin celebrating and one gutted in the same house.

We appealed with lots of evidence but no joy.

He started another comp in September (the place was taken away very late in the day and another stressful appeal was won to get the comp place back in July) but now goes to a different gs.

Whatever you do, don't show your sadness/disappointment. We worked hard to big up the comp (even though it was hard seeing DT2 preparing for grammar).

But appeals and waiting lists can take their own turns, even later in the day, as we found out.

PersonAtHome · 01/03/2018 22:42

Thanks again to every single one of you posting on this thread, it really is helpful. Hearing that others have been in the same type of situation and finding out how you've managed it is very reassuring, helpful on a practical level as well as an emotional one.

I am definitely feeling more positive as the day has passed, I've emailed the co ordinator of the 'more able' programme at the allocated school to find out more about what is on offer and as soon as I can get through to school admissions I'll make sure we're on the waiting list for the first and second choice schools.

Also I've spoken to some friends of friends IRL and found out some more positive stories about the allocated school, which helps.

And DS2 has taken the news well and DS1 has been lovely with him about it and saying the right things.

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Witchend · 01/03/2018 22:55

re an appeal - we appealed and won a place at the grammar for DS1 so that would make me uncomfortable about appealing again for DS2

I think that should make you more determined to appeal though. Otherwise ds2 could turn round and say "you pushed to get ds1 in, you obviously didn't car/didn't think I was as good."

Gendarme · 01/03/2018 23:13

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Bekabeech · 02/03/2018 07:07

First I know a lot of boys who went to our local private Grammar school, it is a fabulous school but the results they got at the end were pretty much the same they would have got at the local Comprehensive. And even though it is a great school quite a few had private tutors.
Second new schools can be fabulous. We have one close to me, and the first years have been taught in portacabins but will start in their new building in September, and it is fabulous. A really brilliantly designed building. And the teachers are great too, enthusiastic fairly young ones who moved for better promotion chances.

Grrrrrsnarl · 02/03/2018 08:03

Just read through this thread and I had to make a comment

You said

DS1 isn't helping as he's embracing socialism and communism at the moment and is always going on about the horrors of elitist private education!

im sorry. A lot kids who go to grammar have parents who can afford to tutor and often come from private prep schools

If this is the sort of crap that your son is being taught at the grammar (from probably kids who have had an elitist education) then the local comp might give your ds2 a different outlook and grounding.

In fact I'm surprised your ds1 can bare to go to the grammar considering the privilege he's getting
If he's into socialism and communism then all kids should be taught equal and he isn't

TheWizardofWas · 02/03/2018 08:13

Big off with your prejudice Grrrrsnarl. DS1 sounds like he is either getting or making for himself a great education. Vive la revolution.

TheWizardofWas · 02/03/2018 08:14

Bog off....Grrrrsnarl indeed

Gendarme · 02/03/2018 08:25

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Headofthehive55 · 02/03/2018 08:28

A friend if mines son went to a highly rated selective private school and failed his English GCSE. Twice. The local comp wasn't suitable for him as he was so bright.