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GCSEs 2018 (4 already)

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Stickerrocks · 24/02/2018 20:56

Following on from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/secondary/3152060-GCSEs-2018-3

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mmzz · 06/03/2018 21:05

I asked DS if he wanted Easter Sunday off, but he said no. However he changes the timetable all the time, so he might take out off anyway.
Does he get much homework? He gets a lot compared to what he got any time up until now. Some of it is revision type work though. I'm not sure how much it is- maybe 3 hours per week.
I won't pretend that DS has been regularly studying since the start of year 10: he hasn't. He did 4 weeks for the mocks and 50 hours so far since last January.

Sostenueto · 06/03/2018 21:10

Thank you oddsocks Flowers

Sostenueto · 06/03/2018 21:12

Still impressive mmzz

Sostenueto · 06/03/2018 21:22

Last years aqa grade boundaries:

LANGUAGE PAPER 180615651454035261788700/2ENGLISH LANGUAGE PAPER 28062575347423727178

Sostenueto · 06/03/2018 21:22

ERM! Ignore not sure what happened there!

Stickerrocks · 06/03/2018 21:46

Now I'm worrying that DD will think "Stuff it" because she has been working really hard for the papers she dropped grades on in her initial mocks and has still managed to go backwards.

We had to book a hospital appointent today with a typical 3 month wait. First date - history GCSE, second date - further maths, third date - post GCSE overnight treat, final date - prom. I asked DD if she would prefer prom day or overnight treat day & she decided to abandon our treat. I won't cancel thoughnuntil the last minute in case her appt gets moved. However, It's brought into harsh reality how little time we have left.

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Stickerrocks · 06/03/2018 21:50

The branch of Waterstones where DD did her work experience had a fire today. I'm as gutted as the store about all those beautiful books (& revision guides) suffering smoke damage & being consigned to a skip.

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Sostenueto · 06/03/2018 21:52

stickerocks think that all your dd is going through both medically and peer group and still trying her hardest with schoolwork makes her a Star
All will be fine I'm sure with your support she cannot fail!Flowers

Sostenueto · 06/03/2018 21:54

Reckon there will be a very large fire in back garden after exams are over with another load of revision books!Grin

Stickerrocks · 06/03/2018 22:13

Aww shucks, thanks!

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Teenmum60 · 06/03/2018 22:40

Stickerrocks I think sometimes DC think they have been working hard but yet really their mind is elsewhere (probably down to the friendship issues your DD has had). I looked through my DD's self-analysis of her Biology exam which she didn't perform as well as she could in ...and her own comments on some topics were - did not revise hence why we have made charts this time around so she can see what she clearly needs to do - staring her in the face.

You will probably find that the school will also be helping her too- they won't let her take the "Stuff it" attitude. Just try your best to keep her self-esteem high with a few treats ...

Sostenueto · 07/03/2018 06:03

Up all night again trying to comfort a very distressed pup suffering her first ( and last) season. Poor little mite doesn't know where to put herself and her pitiful little bleats are heart renching.Sad

mmzz · 07/03/2018 06:22

@Stickerrocks I'm not saying this is a good idea - it depends on how it will make your DD feel - but you could take Biology paper and look at what happened in depth.
Get the test paper, the questions and the mark scheme and go through it with your DD to see which questions she dropped marks on.
If it's a question on the lymph system say, ask your DD if she revised it recently and if she did then how well did she think she had learned it? How did she do the revision?
You may find the clue to what's going wrong by doing that. It will show if your DD just got asked questions on things she hadn't revised, if she knew it and panicked a bit in the exam so didn't read the question properly or had brain freeze, or if she revises too passively.

Doing this could be a useful way to identify the specific problem, and therefore fix it. However, if your DD is losing confidence in her ability to do well in the exams, and you are worried she'll give up trying, then tell her then give her something to console herself with (eg it was just a fluke as you did the revision) and let her forget about that one exam.

mmzz · 07/03/2018 06:38

One thing I am getting a sense of from DS is that the teachers are all behaving like theirs is the only subject that the exam is coming up in.
eg DS is really good at maths. He does not need to revise most of it, or if anyone wants to check, they could just give him the hardest question the exam board could through at them on that topic, and if he does it easily, then they would know he is ready. However, the other subjects need work and lots of it, but the maths teacher continues to set mandatory homework that takes several hours, despite my request that DS only do the more challenging questions.
DS1 also has the UKMT Olympiad coming up on the 15th, and I asked if he could use some lesson time to prepare (he's bored in lessons and isn't learning) and after school, DS is busy with preparing for the other GCSES. The maths teacher said no to that request too.

TheSecondOfHerName · 07/03/2018 07:22

One thing I am getting a sense of from DS is that the teachers are all behaving like theirs is the only subject that the exam is coming up in.

We regularly get letters from each subject head saying things like "ensure your son does a chunk of revision in this subject every evening".

Even if a chunk of revision is only 30 minutes, that would be 5 hours every evening if he did this for every subject.

DS2 takes the instructions literally and piles it on top of everything else he has been already asked to do by other teachers.

Sostenueto · 07/03/2018 07:27

mmzz tbh the maths Olympiad is not as important as the GCSE although success in the maths challenge is brilliant and a great achievement it was set up to instill interest in maths in a fun and interesting way, in fact. In dgds school they dont tell the dc about it till the day before they sit it! They dont get revision time to do it. But if your D's is bored then he should be stretched by the teacher and your idea that D's do the really challenging questions instead of all the stuff he knows backwards should be heeded by the teacher IMO.

Oddsocks15 · 07/03/2018 07:37

Agree mmzz and second teachers definitely think theirs is the only subject. A few months ago I had head of languages phone me because DD hadn’t been attending some before school revision sessions. He was full of importance for the subject etc etc etc. I pointed out that DD had revision sessions for another subject that had been scheduled in by the school at the same time. DD had been attending revision sessions on alternate weeks. Lots of humble pie eaten! - school have been really piling on homework/revision too with little regard that theirs is just one subject of many for the kids.

MaisyPops · 07/03/2018 07:43

odd
Maybe that's where I'm going wrong Smile I don't do any before school sessions, run a weekly drop in which is optional and then make all materials available online for the whole class. I teach them how to revise effectively, allocate lesson time to teach revision strategies explicitly and then tell them they have to out their health first.

Funnily enough, my group completed the course in january and are on target or half a grade below. Stressing kids out isn't fair.

LooseAtTheSeams · 07/03/2018 08:07

Sostenueto that’s an excellent English result! I’m sure paper 1also went well!

mmzz · 07/03/2018 08:27

He's been bored and unchallenged for several years. It's the limitations of taking fixed exams at 15/16 that's the cause, and with 30+ other DC in the class, I don't blame the teacher (ok, well he could have tried to alleviate it just once maybe).
The thing is DS could have both - the GCSE and the olympiad. It wouldn't take any of the teachers time or cause the teacher any more work.
There's no prep for the first paper at DS's school either. But I think the olympiad is a bit different.
When I requested that DS use some class time for Olympiad prep, the maths g&t coordinator emailed me saying that whilst the UKMT is sold as just fun to the younger years, participation in the higher rounds is widely respected and can be a valuable thing to have on a CV. Then she went on to say the school would support DS without suggesting how they might do that. She just said it won't be in class time.

sandybayley · 07/03/2018 08:34

@mmzz - I totally agree with you about the Olympiad. Qualifying for it is a huge achievement and indicates that the GCSE will be fine. If he's performing at that level he is clearly on a maths journey and doing well in it will be great for his personal statement.

Teachers at both DS and DD schools have repeatedly said that maths admissions tutors want 'maths and more maths' from candidates. DD is my mathematician and is doing Grey Kangaroo (year 9).

Sostenueto · 07/03/2018 08:39

Found this about the GCSE maths.

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What’s Wrong with Maths GCSE? Addressing Fundamental Problems at the Heart of the New Exams
Last year’s new exams had some positive aspects, says Charlie Stripp, but there are still a couple of key issues we need to look at

Charlie Stripp
Added: 05th March 2018
What’s Wrong with Maths GCSE? Addressing Fundamental Problems at the Heart of the New Exams
Let’s start at the beginning: what do we want from the maths GCSE?

I think these are its intended purposes:

To identify those who have not reached the minimum national expectation of maths competence at age 16. On the new maths GCSE this is considered to be a grade 4.

To prepare as many students as possible to study maths to a higher level.

To identify which students are ready to study maths to a higher level, and which maths qualification pathway will best support their aspirations.
And these are the intended outcomes:

All 16 year-olds achieving below a grade 4 follow a suitable post-16 programme which supports them towards achieving the minimum national expectation of maths competence.

All 16 year olds who have achieved at least a grade 4 continue with maths post-16, choosing the most appropriate pathway to support their aspirations.

Educational institutions and employers understand the level of maths each young person has achieved by age 16 and what that means for progression post-16.
So, did the new maths GCSE meet these purposes and intended outcomes? Well, yes and no. On the plus side, the content is strong, and can provide a much better preparation for further study than the old GCSE.

Also, the new grade 9 provides a greater challenge than the old A* and can identify the very highest attainers.

However, as for the old GCSE, the grade 4 threshold was based not on competence but on how well students performed against their peers, and the grade thresholds were far lower than for the old GCSE:

Maths GCSE grade thresholds

Year Grade threshold to achieve a grade C/4 Grade threshold to
achieve a grade A/7
2016

A*-G GCSE Around 35% (Grade C, Higher tier)

Around 67% (Grade C, Foundation tier) Around 70% (Grade A,
Higher tier only)
2017

9-1 GCSE Around 20% (Grade 4, Higher tier)

A little over 50% (Grade 4, Foundation tier) Around 50% (Grade 7,
Higher tier only)
Note: Grade thresholds vary a little for the different exam board specifications, so these are indicative, not exact.

These low thresholds meant that many students were only able to demonstrate what they couldn’t do, rather than showing what they were capable of.

Widespread anecdotal evidence suggests that negative exam experiences have deterred students from studying maths post-16, even though their grades were intended to indicate that they were well-prepared to do so.

What could we do better?
This year, the proportions of students achieving grade 4 or above and grade 7 or above were pegged to the proportions achieving a grade C or above or grade A or above in 2016 (roughly 70% and 20% respectively).

In the first year of the new maths GCSE this made sense – it would be unfair to have a sudden change in numbers achieving crucial grades. However, in future, I think it is vital that the grade 4 should represent a consistent measure of maths competence.

The new national reference test (NRT) should make this possible. The NRT assesses how national performance changes over time. It works by having a large sample of students take exactly the same test each year, shortly before they take their GCSEs.

A fixed score on the NRT can therefore determine the proportion of students awarded a grade 4 each year. This would mean that improvements in national attainment would result in more students achieving a grade 4 or above.

Maths GCSE has two tiers of entry: Foundation and Higher. For the new maths GCSE this year, the Foundation tier targeted grades 1-5 and the Higher tier grades 4-9.

Examinations should enable students to demonstrate what they have learned, so a mark of around 70% on the Foundation tier seems about right for a grade 4.

Students expected to achieve a grade 4, but who are thought to be unlikely to achieve a higher grade, should not be entered for the Higher tier. This is largely what happened this year, as the following table demonstrates:

Proportions of students taking the Higher and Foundation Tiers in GCSE Maths

2017 2016
Higher tier 53% 76%
Foundation tier 47% 24%
Source: Ofqual

The trouble with tiers
This year’s threshold of under 20% for a grade 4 on the Higher tier is very damaging. It reinforces the view that maths is very hard, and risks encouraging schools to enter students inappropriately in future.

GCSE maths performance is high stakes for both schools and students, and schools can be tempted to enter students targeting grades 4 and 5 for the Higher tier if they feel such students have a better chance of scraping together the relatively low number of marks needed to achieve these grades in the Higher tier exams than of achieving the far higher marks required on the Foundation tier exams.

This encourages ‘teaching to the test’, rather than ensuring students have a strong grasp of the fundamental maths they will need for life and work.

The tiering structure should be changed to ensure it is not in schools’ interests to enter students for the Higher tier unless they have a realistic chance of achieving at least a grade 6.

The current tiering involves students for each tier taking three papers of equal demand aimed at that tier, with some common questions used in both tiers to aid comparability where the tier grades overlap.

A possible solution could be based around students taking two out of three papers, perhaps with Paper 1 aimed at grades 1-3, Paper 2 at grades 4 and 5, and paper 3 at grades 6-9.

Foundation tier students would take papers 1 and 2; Higher tier students would take papers 2 and 3.

This would enable the large majority of students to score well on at least one paper and would remove any reason for ‘tactical’ entry, as the key grades 4 and 5 would be awarded based mainly on performance on paper 2, which would be taken by all.

Implications for the future
England lags behind most other developed countries in participation in maths education post-16 and evidence suggests this reduces both the earnings of individuals and national economic performance.

I think this low participation is at least partly down to national attitudes towards maths – that it is difficult and that only the lucky few can succeed in it. We are beginning to overcome that view and there is plenty of positive work going on, particularly through the NCETM, the Maths Hubs and the FMSP, to show young people that by working hard at maths they can succeed.

Over the coming years, it is the intention that participation in maths post-16 will increase dramatically. That will require huge increases in Core Maths, and continued increases in AS and A level Maths/Further Maths.

The content of the new GCSE maths can prepare students well, but if more who achieve grades 4 and above are to choose maths post-16, they will need to feel more positive about their GCSE maths experience.

To help that to happen, the current examination and tiering structure should be changed, so that the exams enable more students to show what they can do, rather than highlighting what they can’t.

Charlie Stripp is chief executive of MEI (mei.org.uk) and director of the NCETM (ncetm.org.uk).

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Sostenueto · 07/03/2018 08:49

Well it posted before I had a chance to edit it sorry! But interesting anyway.

Thank you Loose Flowers paper 1 she finds more difficult, but will know results Friday. She really has been slogging English. I think she got really low about mock and end of year 10 mocks results in English. But she has rose to the challenge. We keep saying not to fret so much but you know what teens are like. Think she's aiming to get a 6 which she will be chuffed about ( I know she could get higher but 6 will be great!)

Sostenueto · 07/03/2018 08:53

Mmzz didn't the school think of entering ds early for A level maths or actually entering him early for the GCSE? There is a dc in dgds school who has passed A level maths last year and is in year 10 now.

LooseAtTheSeams · 07/03/2018 08:54

That’s really interesting - it would make a lot of sense to stagger the difficulty of the papers and take 2 instead of 3. So far, DS1 hasn’t been put off continuing with maths A level - hopefully that will remain the case - but it’s got to be discouraging to go into an exam and just not be able to do most of it, however low the grade boundaries. That’s putting all the focus on the exam instead of on maths itself.

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