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Son yr 7 hates new school

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GoldSpot · 25/10/2017 16:38

I would appreciate some advice on how to handle this as I really don't know what to do. Apologies for the essay and dodgy punctuation.

Some background on ds. He is normally very happy and outgoing, did well at junior school academically and socially. I have always knows that underneath it all, he can be quite an anxious person; he doesn't like change and in certain unfamiliar social situations I have occasionally seen him completely overwhelmed. Normally though, he handles most things and people confidently. His year 6 teacher did not believe me when I mentioned that he could be anxious, which demonstrates how he normally manages.

Ds started his new secondary school in September. It is a large all boys state school that achieves reasonably well academically. Ds was fairly negative about the school before he even started - the group of friends he wanted to be with from his old school have gone to another local school, which is massively oversubscribed and we had no chance of getting him into. The impression we have of his new school is that it is very boisterous; lots of boys being quite physical with each other - older lads shoving the younger ones in the corridor. Lots of 'play fighting' that often seems to get out of hand. Discipline could be a bit stronger from what I have heard.

From his first day there, ds arrived home in hysterics - beside himself - saying that he hated it, that it 'wasn't the school for him'. He finds it rough and he says he would prefer to be in a mixed school. He says that no one really wants to talk to him. He will often leave for school crying and arrive home crying. He gets anxious about any exams or tests and has spent a lot of time in the nurse's office - too upset to leave.

Dh and I are at a loss. We have never seen ds so upset. He normally approaches things very positively, but he is so overwhelmingly negative about everything. This is in spite of the fact that since being there he has done well in his tests, achieved at sport and has a new friend with the potential to make new ones (he has mentioned a couple of boys he quite likes). He also has two other lads from his old school in his class who he gets on ok with. No one is bullying him, though he certainly isn't popular (probably not helped by the fact that he is so miserable all the time). We can't help but feel that he hasn't really given it a chance.

We have been in close contact with the school - his tutor is great and has made sure that he is sitting next to his new friend in class and has notified the other teachers that he is having problems. The head of year knows too.

My question is how long do we give this before we accept that it isn't working? It is half term and I have just spent all afternoon consoling ds who is hysterically saying he doesn't want to go back. There is another place available at a school further away. It is not as good academically but it is mixed and ds says he thinks he would be happier there. It would mean a bus ride there and back which would make his day much longer. Do we grab the place and just go for it or do we get him to stick it out for a bit longer? The place will probably get snapped up fairly quickly but others may come up in the future.

Is it harsh to tell him that he needs to keep trying and to approach it all with a more positive attitude? He is in such a state of anxiety I am not sure if there is any point saying that.

He keeps saying he won't be anxious at the potential new school because it won't be all boys and he will be able to handle it better. But I'm not so sure. If he goes to this other school and struggles again, what then?

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Middleoftheroad · 27/10/2017 11:10

Please grab that place with both hands.

My son is feeling the same about his school - it was fine at the start and at that time we were offered another place and rejected it (as he was happy for a few days). We bitterly regret that decision now the other place is not available.

Middleoftheroad · 27/10/2017 11:14

@OlafLovesAnna - I'm interested to see how you got on with your decision? It's something we are currently exploring as our year 7 boy is unhappy at school, being bullied and lots of disruption in his top sets etc.

Starlight2345 · 27/10/2017 11:57

I don’t have answers . I have a year 6 Ds . I have just applied for our catchment school . He has sen and I feel the smaller school and better sen facilities at next school would suit him better . However he is much more excited and engaged at catchment school. Very flat at other school . I am not confident in my decision but do think his motivation will help the transition. I hope whatever decision you make things improve for your Ds

GoldSpot · 27/10/2017 16:13

Thank you everyone - there have been so many thoughtful and kind replies - it has helped so much.

Many people have said we should take the available place - but something is stopping me from leaping into that immediately. I want to see the school and get a feel for it. I don't want him to find himself in another unsuitable school with a long journey to boot.

I emailed admissions yesterday and have set an application in motion for 2 oversubscribed schools (including the one I mentioned in my OP) close to us. I have also asked them to tell me where he is on the waiting lists - this might take a few days. I think having that information will help us decide how to proceed with other places that become available.

I also sent a joint email to the head off year and his tutor - I explained how distressed he has been over the holiday and that he will need a lot of support. I also explained how intimidated he is by the noise, bad behaviour, shoving etc. The more I think about it, the more angry it makes me - if they had a handle on discipline, the school would be a completely different place. Easier said than done, though.

It's a minefield - I feel like my head is going in circles.

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Therealslimshady1 · 27/10/2017 16:16

Sounds like you are taking the right steps.

Discuss it with your son as well. It is important that he understands you are taking his distress seriously.

Hope the waiting lists are not too long.

ForgivenessIsDivine · 27/10/2017 16:25

I would absolutely wait until the preferred school has given you an idea of where on the waiting list you are.... maybe if he knows that the end is in sight, he may feel better about it.. Poor boy. xxxx

OlafLovesAnna · 27/10/2017 16:37

@Middleoftheroad we have applied as a boarder for a state school about 90mins away which he loved and got a great feeling for when we visited (I got a good feeling too). DS 'problem' is that he is socially confident and an enthusiastic sportsman as well as being able academically but he can't cope with rule breaking or wrong behaviour. He's getting very disengaged and defeatist at the moment.

He would thrive I think at a very structured place with clear expectations and sanctions and probably a smaller school with less noise and clamour.

Anyway, we've applied to board for Y9 onwards but there are only a handful of places so we'll see what happens but we should know by Christmas if he has a place there. In the meantime I have appointments to see 2 local private day schools (within 30m drive) which are 3/400 pupils across yr7-11 and we'll have to try and dredge the money up from somewhere.

An issue is though that I also have a y6 about to move to the same local secondary in September and a yR so any cost has to be multiplied by 3. DS2 is a very different child and is adamant he want to go to the local school like his friends.

Middleoftheroad · 27/10/2017 16:50

Olaf -sounds positive. we are looking into this as he is a twin. His brother goes to a lovely grammar and is thriving in all areas which makes it harder.

OP - very sensible ideas. Something stopped us accepting the grammar place on offer in September and I thought it was the right thingvat the time. Trouble is it's so hard without a crystal ball. good luck

Blogwoman · 27/10/2017 17:11

A horrible situation & it’s great that you’re taking him seriously & being so supportive- & prepared to act. Seeing the available school for yourself is a good idea & do ask what support is in place for all in year 7, not just for those who are struggling. My DCs changed to a new school for 6th form & were so impressed by the year long support offered to year 7, including a buddy system, lunch club & more. My DD was miserable from the start of year 7 until she moved for 6th form. We should have moved her. We didn’t, because DH thought the problem might be her & go with her to another school & I kept thinking things would improve. By the time we said we’d move her it was too late, as GCSE work had started. Don’t wait.

Middleoftheroad · 27/10/2017 18:43

Blogwoman - I was sad to read that and fear it may happen to us too.

Glad sixth form is working out thougj and I agree with your advice to OP. It's wretched seeing them go through it.

MMcanny · 27/10/2017 19:28

Move him. Poor kid.

ForgivenessIsDivine · 27/10/2017 19:40

The plural of anecdotes is not data but honestly, over the years, most people who get to the stage of moving their children, look back with relief that they made the decision to leap into the dark and very few who find the problem follows their child. Yes settling into a new school can be problematic, however, again, in my experience, if this is the choice of the child rather than due to enforced circumstances, it is usually one that is fully embraced and therefore successful.

Etaina · 28/10/2017 10:26

I also think you should put his name down for the oversubscribed school where his friends go.

I had a similar issue with Ds and he moved schools at the end of Yr7. I was worried that the problem might lie with him and that he'd face similar challenges at the new school but it is completely different and he is SO much happier.

GoldSpot · 28/10/2017 13:07

Thanks everyone - it's interesting to hear all your experiences. Olaf and Middle - I really hope you get things sorted for your ds, it's horrible seeing them like this.

Etaina - I'm so glad things worked out for your ds - very encouraging to hear that!

Waiting to hear where we are on the waiting list for the oversubscribed school, now. Fingers crossed.

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Middleoftheroad · 28/10/2017 15:20

Good luck and please post with any updates. Grin

Blogwoman · 28/10/2017 16:10

Fingers crossed OP & do let us know.
Middle I hope things work out for your DS, & soon.

Tinty · 30/10/2017 13:51

OP Please move your son if he is still unhappy. I went to a school with a lot of bad behaviour, I was threatened with a beating every time I answered a question in class and pushed and shoved and chased home every night. It only took me 3 weeks to stop answering any questions and shut off completely from doing anything at school that would draw attention to myself. Middleoftheroad could your son try the 12+ (or is it 13+?), now for his twins school? My DD's grammar much to everyone's surprise took 2 extra pupils in year 7, one in March one in June, nobody left. It was a surprise to everyone because they don't usually have children join. It is worth asking just in case. I think you can take a new test in this year as it would have been last year he took the 11+.

crazycrofter · 31/10/2017 08:25

Middleoftheroad I'm sorry your son is unhappy now after a positive start :( I wouldn't give up on a grammar place though. Have you rung the school you were offered to go back on their list? After Christmas it's a clean slate, the original scores are wiped and if any places come up those interested will be tested again. I'm not sure how you get in the running for this but it's worth speaking to the local grammars and making sure your son is on their list for re-testing after Christmas.

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