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Headline GCSE stats....

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BertrandRussell · 12/10/2017 12:09

...any other education nerds looking at them? How did your school do? I don't think i realised that, despite everyone agreeing that a 4 was the new C, it would be a 5 for performance measures. Which is a bit shit for schools like ours.

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YogiYoni · 12/10/2017 12:13

Do you have a link?

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BertrandRussell · 12/10/2017 12:15

here

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RedSkyAtNight · 12/10/2017 12:32

You can see the 4+ stats as well.

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BertrandRussell · 12/10/2017 12:38

Can you? I must have not looked properly

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geogteach · 12/10/2017 13:06

I was surprised by the 5+ too. School where I am governor has done well. Need to check figures from last year as I suspect one local
School although it is still average has dropped considerably.

LivingInLaLaLand · 12/10/2017 13:19

I can't find it in the link, but googled out if curiosity. Our school has done very well I'm pleased to say, but they are listed against local private grammar schools. Seems unfair given that they already have an intake of higher achieving kids, so it's impossible for a mixed ability state school to really compete

OrlandaFuriosa · 12/10/2017 13:26

How does it do on progress 8?

gillybeanz · 12/10/2017 13:37

66.18% of kids got grades 7-9 at dd school
They don't do progress 8

Maths did particularly well.

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BertrandRussell · 12/10/2017 13:46

What did you google to get to 4+ figures?

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TeenTimesTwo · 12/10/2017 13:48

DD's school had lower results than usual, I'm thinking it was probably a blip in the intake. But for the first time in a few years there is clear water between them and other local school (with DD's school behind).

TeenTimesTwo · 12/10/2017 13:49

The 4+ figures are on the same link but there is a different button to select just above where the data shows.

TeenTimesTwo · 12/10/2017 13:50

.. if comparing schools.

If looking at one school it is just below the graphs.

AuntieFester · 12/10/2017 14:07

Bertrand
The box labelled 'looking at' is a drop down menu and you can choose the 'Performance at grade 4/C or above'.

Progress 8 in our prospective school has dropped, new GCSE's perhaps?
On the other hand they enter roughly 90% of students for the EBacc and about 60% achieve it.
Another school nearby only enters 50% for Ebacc and most of them achieve it. Hmmm... is that a way of weeding out the weakest? Their Progress 8 is stunning.

Laniakea · 12/10/2017 14:34

what's a good progress 8 score? Or attainment 8?

The 5+ at dd's school is a good 20% lower than usual, 4+ is actually higher though (than C+ in previous years).

The Ebac is relatively low - higher than average - but less than you might expect from a 'leafy' comp ... they don't require students to do a language & always miss out on a high Ebac score.

Laniakea · 12/10/2017 14:41

I want to know the 7-9 rate too ... I'm surprised they don't record it.

When I was looking at schools for high achieving dd that's what I wanted to see. It is actually 24% vs 79% 4+ and 59% 5+. I'm happy to send dd there but it wouldn't be a school I would consider for ds (ASD & LDs)

MrGrumpy01 · 12/10/2017 22:17

Dd's new school looks good. The other local school has a progress 8 of +0.72, which is pretty good given that a few years back it had a gcse pass rate of about 30%.

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BertrandRussell · 13/10/2017 11:42

Our school (I don't know why I call it our school- I only have very peripheral involvement with it now, but I've been championing it for ages) A*- C has dropped 14% since last year. 14%!

And the Head and staff had done such a brilliant job hauling it out of the quagmire over the past 10 years. Results steadily improving, reputation steadily improving-then this. I could weep for them.

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tinypop4 · 13/10/2017 14:07

I am a secondary teacher who worked in state until recently and now I work in a private school where progress 8 is not used as a measurement.
I have primary school age DC so looking at these from a parenting point of view. We have a difficult school allocations system in our city and really there is little choice at secondary level of where you go to school.
The school DD would have to go to if we chose to send her to a state has a progress 8 score of -0.01 - still struggling to understand what this means? Grade 5 in E&M is 49%, with the most popular comprehensive in the city 58%.
This school (the first one) has had a bad reputation in the past so I'm really not sure what these results mean.

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BertrandRussell · 13/10/2017 14:26

Progress 8 is a measure of how pupils do actually compared to how they should have done based on prior attainment. So a Progress 8 score of 0 means the kids all performed according to prediction. i think a score of -.5 triggers an inspection, but don't quote me on that one.

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multivac · 13/10/2017 14:30

Our sons' school is, apparently, 'well below average' for Progress 8; but as last year, only if you go by 'first attempt' data, rather than 'best outcomes'. The school up the road that makes 100% of its students take the European Computer Driving Licence does rather better....

I cannot stand the league tables, with their false promise of simple, direct comparison. They do so much damage - to schools and to students.

On the plus side, when Ofsted came to call earlier this year, they had no choice but to categorise the school as 'good', despite the league tables. I think it's exceptional...

BlueBelle123 · 13/10/2017 14:30

Just looked at my 3 local secondaries, school 1 is the school that most parents are breaking their necks trying to get in to and its always oversubscribed, school 2(DS's school) is considered pretty OK and school 3 never oversubscribed so has to take all the managed moved DC.
Well to my surprise schools 2 and 3 have come out as average whilst school 1 is below average!.......I suppose you really need to have a few years worth of results to really gauge how a school is doing.

Rkay2 · 13/10/2017 14:33

Progress 8 score of 0 means that students do as expected.
It is only based on students that have prior data e.g. Have key stage 2 sats scores

If a school has a progress 8 score of say -1 then students on average at that school achieve 1 grade lower than the expected grade when compared with student of the same ability across the country.

If a school progress 8 score is +0.5 then on average students achieve half a grade better than one would expect when compared to students with similar ability profile.

Does that help?

tinypop4 · 13/10/2017 14:55

Rkay thank you that's very simply put. So a score of -0.01 looks a bit ropey but is actually broadly fine in terms of student progress.
I would imagine, in this case that leafy comps and selective grammars wouldn't necessarily have a high progress score as many students are coming in with high ks2 data but their level 5 and above scores will look very good.

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BertrandRussell · 13/10/2017 15:15

Tinypop- the link in my post takes you to the NAHT site with examples and rather more detail than is healthy to want......

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