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Is igcse science a lot harder than GCSE science

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Worried61 · 17/02/2017 18:46

If a young person has studied GCSE science and got a d grade before. Will they have covered most of the igcse stuff

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ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 10/04/2017 21:01

Think we established English iGCSE does have coursework happy! Although some posters have said it doesn't, online all the exam boards state it does (although it can be 'optional')

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 10/04/2017 21:09

And, since the independents have more curriculum time, generally, coursework is rather a pleasure.

Can I also say that coursework is not at all the same as Controlled Assessments? English GCSEs had CAs for a few years. They had to be done in class in silence, so were effectively exams : bloody boring and time consuming.

iGCSE coursework was not nearly so constrained : drafts were allowed and typing was allowed and talking was allowed. This, to me as a teacher of both, made iGCSE measurably easier (and, of course in many many ways better , if the content hadn't been so dull...) It honestly was not challenging.

But this is the only subject I have direct knowledge and experience of. As I said before my DH says the new maths GCSE is much harder than the current maths iGCSE.

So, it does kind of matter - because students applying for uni in a couple of years will be pitted against each other and, unless something is done to check iGCSE grades against new GCSE grades, there won't be a good (or at least very exact) degree of comparability (even less so than before). I am hopeful the universities are going to have a close look at this...

Originally, of course , Gove wanted the new qualifications to be written by the universities but they pulled out very early on.

Draylon · 10/04/2017 21:10

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ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 10/04/2017 21:10

... and the uptake of both A level maths and A level English lit is forecast to decline, too,...

portico · 10/04/2017 21:13

Given that coursework has finished, why do bone idle teacher still impose posters work, and Blue Peter type model structure to be constructed at home. It's us parents who have to get the materials and do the bulk of it. Worse still is doing this in class. YouTube videos and written work should be enough.

Adios, and FO to any type of coursework.

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 10/04/2017 21:13

Anyhooooo, none of this v helpful to poor OP!!

We have properly derailed!

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 10/04/2017 21:17

Oh gosh, yes, Thanks for that. I'll remember how bone idle I am when I am wading through 4 hours of marking tomorrow and when my DS's teachers are giving up three hours of their time for 10 days of the Easter holidays to run revision sessions.

I , too, hate the kind of homework you describe but I am not sure it's about being bone idle and that seems a bit harsh!

GetAHaircutCarl · 10/04/2017 21:17

beans one of the reasons I much preferred DS IGCSE English to DD's GCSE was that there was so much more time left for DS to do other stuff during years 10 and 11 with no CAs or coursework.

He did some interesting stuff those two years.

That said, I really rate the English department at the school from what I've seen of DD's sixth form English since too.

portico · 10/04/2017 21:19

Sorry, I have compared a few syllabuses. DS dies the new AQA 9-1 ones. I choose questions from IGCSE papers as they are more stretching - as they should be.

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 10/04/2017 21:19

Science coursework is experiments in class time I believe...

The models and posters etc are not coursework... they are supposed to be 'applied learning' :whether they are or not is a whole other debate!

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 10/04/2017 21:21

Portico - I hope you won't confuse him though, as students knowing exam structures and question types is actually really really really important...

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 10/04/2017 21:21

What subject are you talking about Portico ??

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 10/04/2017 21:24

Reread the thread - assuming you mean science, so your DS must be Year 10.

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 10/04/2017 21:26

Soory Get - I keep forgetting that you told me your experience of iGCSE was no coursework which must have seemed quite liberating. But it was only one exam and that is my idea of a good outcome. The new GCSE is very exam exam exam exam !

portico · 10/04/2017 21:27

He's consistently achieving 100% in topical AQA tests in Chemistry and Physics. Biology between 88-90%. School has agreed the enrichment programme I have at home. Well, they would anyway. IGCSE may have different writing, but command words are the same. I just want him to get under the subject as I have one eye on A Levels.

Similarly, with my Y7, I follow the more rigorousSingaporean lower secondary syllabus. He is struggling with the easier curriculum at school, but the SG provides more context and has significantly improved his confidence and test scores.

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 10/04/2017 21:31

That's all very marvellous : not all that helpful to OP who doesn't own such high fliers but would like to know whether an IGCSE will be achievable for her own rather less academically gifted , sorry OP child.

GetAHaircutCarl · 10/04/2017 21:33

beans TBF even with the CAs DD's GCSE English wasn't bad.

It had the desired result in any event: good grade, entrance to selective sixth form to study English ( where she's done well in the subject).

portico · 10/04/2017 21:35

IGCSEs are achievable. There is an abundance of brilliant text book, assessment books and exam papers.

TBH, kids in the UK are more resilient and switched on than people of my generation and they can overcome and achieve anything that's put in front of them.

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 10/04/2017 21:38

I like your optimism , Portico

I do wish Mental Health surveys and my teaching experiences of average ability children who are panicking and clever children who are massively anxious and less able students who have no clue what on earth to do backed that up.

Sorry, feeling rather bleak. Will snap out it at some point!

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 10/04/2017 21:40

A an English teacher , I like to hear that Get !

ILikeBeansWithKetchup · 10/04/2017 21:40

... an English teacher who REALLY can't type...

portico · 10/04/2017 21:45

Btw, here is a quick tip for parents seeking text books. Hodder Education is the best. They provide answers online, and full answers at that. OUP and Collins are substandard and will not help your kids. Trial and error has taught me this. Not greatly impressed with CGP revision guides, too. They are like the McDonalds of pedagogy. Everyone wants one, but they regret it afterwards.

Draylon · 10/04/2017 22:02

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portico · 10/04/2017 22:07

Drayton, I am a pushy helicopter parent who is genuinely keen to find the best and efficient resources for my children. I am helping the kid's school to benchmark their resources with the best. I am also helping a neighbour's kids with his GCSE prep for June. I am pushy, but not that pushy to want to sit next to them at Uni. Besides, I would never get in!

Ta1kinPeace · 10/04/2017 22:13

The vast majority of students do not do A Levels.
GCSEs need to be a god benchmark for those children who will not get higher exams
sadly I do not think that the new ones will achieve that purpose.

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