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Good luck to all those preparing for January entrance exams!

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CheerLeader2017 · 22/12/2016 19:35

I remember being in this same position last year...Great words of wisdom from a Head Teacher in this article www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2016/12/21/preparing-school-entrance-exams-celebrate-childs-efforts-much/

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NotAMusician · 06/01/2017 21:48

Three of the words and reasoning questions I mean.

Mumtogremlins · 07/01/2017 11:17

Nocampinghere - St Georges Weybridge was on 4th. Is anyone sitting Reeds? The interview part says something about reading out a passage and answering questions - any ideas what that could be?

MaeMobley · 07/01/2017 16:02

One down (KGS yesterday), 3 to go.

By this time next week, the exam bit will be over.

SAHDthatsall · 07/01/2017 18:56

DS sat Hampton 2 years ago. It was the hardest maths paper and he just about finished it, many didn't. For others e.g. Reeds he would have enough time to do them twice. Thr words and reasoning paper at Hampton is notoriously a bit different and he struggled with it a little. The Hampton interview was an easy chat. Same for the Reeds' interview which was an easy chat with a random teacher also and included reading out a short passage. He did all rounder scholarship tests also which were well organised but surprised to find some boys there nowhere near a decent standard in football and cricket for example. But I believe that this is typical of hopeful parents putting their child in for such assessments.
Hope this helps!

Bellini12 · 09/01/2017 12:49

Hi there. My DD is sitting 3 entrance exams (they start tomorrow!). I am bricking it though trying to staying to stay calm and a bit nonchalant to her!

She's studied fairly hard, we haven't had a tutor, but we're not going for highly academic schools either. She's very shy and under confident of her abilities so I really hope she does OK for her self esteem.

Anyway, I was wondering how the acceptance system works I.e. Could you initially get a 'no' then if a place comes up from someone choosing another school you get it? I just can't see how they work it all out?

nocampinghere · 09/01/2017 13:11

Bellini12 good luck to your dd
there's usually a
no pile = rejection
yes pile = offer
waiting list = let us know if you want an offer! then you need to be patient and persistent. there's lots of movement usually.

mimbleandlittlemy · 09/01/2017 16:33

Not sure I quite agree with nocampinghere's summary totally as the London schools have some additional piles tbh:

No pile - rejection and no means no.

Interview pile - means an interview (unless it's one of the schools that interviews everyone like Emanuel)
Post interview there is then a possible second No pile
A waiting list offer pile - as nocamping says you then need to be very patient as they don't shift until National Offers Day
A Yes pile and an offer (at which point you have to cough up!)

nocampinghere · 09/01/2017 16:37

I was doing it based on the yes/no/waitlist final offers (post interview).

The schools I know which interview everyone do this before the exam.

I wouldn't think of an interview as an offer - just a step forward in the application process.

Bellini12 · 09/01/2017 17:30

We have the interviews on the same day.

Apparently we find out a week later! I just wasn't sure if you were borderline how they graded the entry. Surely you might have to wait until all the schools have made offers (if you end up in a waiting list that is). As if you hadn't been through enough stress!

bojorojo · 09/01/2017 17:56

Bellini - just accept what you are offered by the deadline they give you. Usually they tie this for whenmost local schools have completed their tests. You do not have to yes or no the day after you get the results.

See my response to your other post re stress!

bojorojo · 09/01/2017 17:56

time this......

Mumtogremlins · 09/01/2017 21:58

Thanks SAHD for the info on Hampton and Reeds. Not looking forward to Hampton - it seems quite different in format to the others. Why do they have to read a passage in the Reeds interview? Do they have to answer questions on it?

Workgmum · 10/01/2017 11:11

Anyone's DS sat for City 10+ on Friday?

SAHDthatsall · 13/01/2017 23:01

re Reeds - the reading of the passage was just to read it out loud with expression apparently and there were no questions asked on it.
(Sorry for delay, been away)

Corialanusburt · 13/01/2017 23:24

DD has interview following exam for independent school. I'm presuming she will get in now. Is the interview a formality?

Thisdoesnotgeteasier · 14/01/2017 09:27

DD just got a letter from one of the schoools she sat for requesting she come back for a further interview - her maths exam clearly didn't go well and they want her to bring in some maths work and be further checked on her ability in the subject.

The school isn't really her first choice (long commute) and we probably prefer the local state over it in all honesty.

Haven't told daughter about letter yet. We were trying to work out if it was even worth her going back to do the maths interview. It feels like she would be at the bottom of the pack at the school in maths (versus more middle at a state school). Trying to balance that with giving her another option - she interviews well and is better at maths one on one than in exams - and the (hopefully) confidence of an offer (should she get one).

Anyone been in a similar situation or have any thoughts? Thanks

ChocolateWombat · 14/01/2017 09:58

Hi. Is it as negative as you think? Is this just an invitations to the interview everyone has, and everyone is asked to bring something along these lines, or is it an extra interview or an unusual request.
If in doubt about these things, you could ring to clarify, which will help you decide.
Anyway, it isn't a definite 'no' and could become a 'yes'.

If I was presenting this to a child, I wouldn't be mentioning it was an indication of iffy exam performance or anything to worry about.....just it was an interview that would involve some maths......in the same way any intreview could involve some academic work. Be really positive about it all.
If it results in an offer, great, if not.....well there's still no need to focus on the maths issue.

In all of this stuff I am firmly of the belief that our job as parents is to encourage and build up our kids and leave them at the end of the process feeling proud of their efforts and positive about their own abilities wherever they end up at secondary school. They are young and need protecting from the idea that they have failed or that they are going to the second or third choice or second rate school. They need to know that it doesn't all lie in their hands (too much responsibility) and that we as parents have a grip on it and that they can rest assured we will be sorting out the right school for them. Celebrations and treats after the exams or interviews and after the results regardless of the outcome are very important in my mind, as is the idea that you are very proud of them.

So when things haven't gone quite as we would have liked, I think it's fine to protect them from the exact details (if we know them).....they do t have to know every little detail of the process or what some of the nuances mean. I was reading on another thread about parents debating whether a Saturday or mid week interview meant different things (offer with scholarship, certain offer without scholarship, uncertain position etc)....how awful if the kids got wind of these ideas before their interview, rather than just going into it hoping to do their best. Not great to feel under pressure to achieve a scholarship (even if it is necessary for the family).

As parents I know we all feel terrible angst during this process. It's hard to keep that stress to ourselves, but we must because if it leaks out to the kids, it can only have bad effects I think. I want my DS to finish this process feeling he's done his best, that we are his school are pleased with and proud of him and that there's a bright future at whatever school he's going to.

ChocolateWombat · 14/01/2017 10:06

Corialanus,
I think it's certainly a very good sign. In most schools people are not invited to interview if they have no chance of an offer, because it is a waste of everyone's time, plus a bit cruel to give a child false hope.
Whether there is further weeding out at interview stage depends on the school. Some genuinely use it for further assessment, but I think only low numbers would be weeded out at this stage.
Many know who they will give offers to by this stage, assuming they don't do something terrible at the interview. Sometimes it's to gauge if the child actually wants to go there or to see if it is their top choice, so the school can make judgements about how many of the people they are offering to are likely to say yes......it's a numbers game for schools, because they need to over offer, in order to fill up....but to judge that right,mso they don't end up with too many kids.
I think some just use the interview as a marketing tool. They know who they will offer to based on interview. They know who get scholarships based on other assssments or the exam, and the interview is a bit of PR with the parents....to make them and the child feel valued and excited about the schoo......so that if they receive a number of offers, they are more likely to say yes to this particular one.

Anyway, back to the Q, I don't think you can be 100% certain if an offer, but things certainly look very promising once you are at interview stage. Great news!

Thisdoesnotgeteasier · 14/01/2017 10:13

Thanks. No, it's just an interview for marginal candidates where one paper doesn't correlate with the other or her school report (both of which were decent). Maths is her weak subject and she said the paper was hard.

The school had four outcome letters - offer, waiting list, rejection and (the one we got) to come back for further testing on the weak area. The result of that follow up interview will then be offfer, waiting list or rejection.

ChocolateWombat · 14/01/2017 10:23

Oh I see. Yes,in that can see that is anxiety inducing!

Unless your DD knows about those 4 letters and this is an interview for borderline candidates already, it can still be possible to go without a full sense that is is what it is....especially if the idea will be distressing. Is she resilient enough to be able to cope with this idea and to then go out there are sell herself and that she wants to go there (which will certainly help, as will doing well at the maths or showing a very willing attitude towards someone who tries to help her through a problem.....so showing that in an area of difficulty you are co-operative and willing to hear and apply advice - says a lot about a candidate and how they will manage difficulties...which inevitably all kids will face whilst at school)

I guess you do have to judge it in terms of how much you want it, how she will feel about it etc etc. If you go, you won't have that 'what if....' Feeling you might get later if you don't go.

And lots of people on these threads report that they were worried about getting in off wait lists etc, fearing they would struggle, but that that they then didn't. So if you would send your DC there if given a place, I think it's worth putting yourselves through this extra hurdle, even though it's one you'd rather avoid.

Thisdoesnotgeteasier · 16/01/2017 17:25

There was one other girl from DD's school who sat for the same school for which DD has been called back for additional maths testing. That girl brought in her offer letter to school today and literally waved it in my daughter's face. DD doesn't know about her recall for more maths testing as it's after another school exam this week and we didn't want to undermine her confidence in her maths going into that exam. Cue mumbled comments about not having received the letter yet.

Corialanusburt · 22/01/2017 00:56

Any Bolton School news?

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