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Anyone got any opinions on the Michaela School?

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noblegiraffe · 26/11/2016 13:43

My Twitter is currently full of talk about Michaela as the teachers there have released a book today and are holding a conference explaining what they do. It's a no-excuses school where kids walk the corridors either in silence or chanting Shakespeare, behaviour is expected to be perfect including no slouching. Everything possible is done to reduce workload of teachers - no marking in books, lessons are all joint planned and taught uniformly, no differentiation, they write their own textbooks.

Does anyone's kids go there? Anyone decide against sending their kids there? Does anyone know how it is viewed in the local community?

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Bobochic · 02/12/2016 09:11

Unconscious bias against all sorts of groups goes on at secondary school. That black boys might be one of the groups suffering discrimination would hardly be surprising.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 02/12/2016 09:28

I suspect there are a lot of things that Michaela are getting right. High expectations of all pupils and believing that all pupils can achieve regardless of background is one of them.
I'd also add:

  • behaviour systems that are used consistently by all teachers, and is backed up by the SLT.
  • a knowledge based curriculum that isn't dumbed down by a belief that these things aren't relevant to black kids/inner city kids/teenagers. And explicit teaching of what children need to know.
  • a good quality phonics catch up scheme. And presumably something similar for maths.
- explicit teaching of vocabulary, backed up by encouraging children to read high quality texts and taking new vocabulary from that.

I'm not sure that all of those things need to be done in the way that Michaela do it. It always comes across as a bit soul destroying. I think there's a balance somewhere.

NWgirls · 02/12/2016 09:35

Not sure about the black boys or that TV programme - just get Chuka to sort himself out and we might get what the title asks for... (But that would not solve the larger problem though, just look at the US.)

But I do know that the local demographic in Brent / within 5 miles of Wembley Park includes a very large Asian contingent which I believe to generally be hard working and ambitious - despite high FSM and ESL.

Wikipedia: "The borough of Brent is extremely diverse, ethnically. In the 2011 census, those who claimed British white heritage made up 18% of the borough's population. 18% claimed other white heritage, 5% were of mixed heritage, those of South Asian heritage comprised about 33% , those of African and Caribbean heritage about 19%, and other ethnic groups about 7%."

And just look at the intake to the superselective grammars (Henrietta Barnett etc) where this group is dominating. And for every successful SS applicant there are 5-10 disappointed ones. Those same families are likely to embrace Michaela, and their kids are likely to continue to put in hard work and do very well. Just the right spot to attract these families. Given this, I remain optimistic about the school's likely academic results but still not sure I want it for my child

NWgirls · 02/12/2016 09:41

Just to be clear about my final words in my previous post - I am attracted by the diversity but not sure about the teaching methods

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 02/12/2016 09:45

But I do know that the local demographic in Brent / within 5 miles of Wembley Park includes a very large Asian contingent which I believe to generally be hard working and ambitious - despite high FSM and ESL.

It also includes a lot of very well off areas doesn't it? Who under the lottery system will have exactly the same chance of getting is as children in more deprived areas closer to the school.

Weirdly, Michaela is the only school where I've seen a lottery system for admissions being pushed as fair.

KateAdiesEarrings · 02/12/2016 09:53

I'm not a teacher and had not heard of Michaela so this thread has been fascinating. Thank you everyone Flowers

NWgirls · 02/12/2016 10:00

Absolutely right, Rafals!

The house prices would make most people in the UK weep, lots of MC.

And many people (including my own family) ponder private and also research a large number of state schools where there is at least some chance of getting in, investigating music places or partially selective options (art tests, language tests etc). The infuriating complexity of the (London) admissions system is a huge obstacle for families who are not fully clued-up or obsessed and of course social mobility / fairness.

kesstrel · 02/12/2016 10:31

There was a twitter discussion on admissions procedures - they use the local authority lottery system. Definitely read in the book that many of the children didn't list Michaela as first choice - some as 5th. Of course, that may just have applied to the first intake. Also, Katie Ashford says: "the vast majority are from quite close to the school- within the same postcode and next two nearest." That would be HA90UU. Anyone know that specific area? Also, judging from the photos of the pupils, around half appear to be of Afro-Caribbean origin.

NWgirls · 02/12/2016 10:56

Kesstrel: I agree on the first intake. But just wait. If the school proves itself as successful as this thread's consensus indicates it will be, just wait for the MC kids to arrive on the Jubilee or Met line from 4.8 miles away... Harrow-On-the-Hill, Stanmore or West Hampstead is no problem in a few minutes with a great commute. So success will, due to the lottery model, over time start squeezing out unlucky locals.

And the controversy (not to mention the book) is a brilliant marketing strategy - free PR, and helping avoid applicants not ready to work/obey.

Apologies for the cynicism, and perhaps they actually will shrink the radius if/when they get very oversubscribed - but if serving their (very) local community is their true intention, why don't they just use distance as most other schools? The lottery is not a coincidence, it is a choice they have made probably because it is in the leadership's own interest - and I might have done the same if I were an ambitious head

kesstrel · 02/12/2016 11:22

NW It occurred to me after I wrote that post that - I think it was 48% - of the current Year 7s are siblings of Year 8 or 9 pupils, which would indicate that at least a substantial proportion of this year's pupils are similar to the first cohort.

So success will, due to the lottery model, over time start squeezing out unlucky locals.

But if that starts to happen, they can withdraw from the lottery, and come up with some other way of ensuring they continue to serve the intake they say they want to. Two other schools in Brent don't use the lottery.

but if serving their (very) local community is their true intention, why don't they just use distance as most other schools? The lottery is not a coincidence, it is a choice they have made

You seem to be saying that both having a lottery model and not having it will in some way contribute unfairly to their success. I suspect they wanted the selection process to be as fair as it possibly could, in order to avoid exactly the sort of accusations of cherry-picking that have appeared so often on this thread.

As far as the head-teacher being ambitious - well, I don't think you realise what a difficult process it is to set up a free school, and what an incredibly difficult time they had doing it. They had to move the site of their application twice, for instance. They've been hugely vilified by people who hate the whole idea of free schools, and especially hate the idea of a "no excuses", traditional pedagogy school. Apparently they even had opponents leafleting children and parents as they approached the school during the first weeks after it opened. I don't think anyone who was just motivated by ambition would deliberately choose that route: there have got to be easier ways.

Also, the reactions of middle class people to this school have been very clearly shown on this thread: they don't like it. Here's an interesting quote from the book:

"When we first started setting up in 2011, one local parent in Brixton joined our steering group. She was white and middle-class, had two young children still at primary, and was really excited to be part of this thrilling new venture. However, a few months in, she took me aside and said she had to drop out because she was losing friends because of her involvement with our school. The social pressure to hate free schools, to hate our school, was too much for her."

NWgirls · 02/12/2016 12:06

Kesstrel:

You say "You seem to be saying that both having a lottery model and not having it will in some way contribute unfairly to their success."

No. Their chosen location is great for attracting both hard-working locals (including the demographic previously discussed) and (as they are successful over time), MC people from the broader 5 mile radius which they have purposefully chosen for their admissions policy. I think this is clever, and likely to succeed, as both of these groups are attractive. Whether it is fair or unfair can be argued both ways.

Nothing wrong with ambition. Are you against it, Kesstrel? I want my kids to be ambitious. I am ambitious. I am sure the head is too, and also driven and wanting to do good for the children, to influence the broader education system, and also do well for herself and her school. There is no contradiction or anything unethical there - there is simply no need for you to try to defend the school (again) on that. I don't require anyone's motivations to be only to help the children. I think she has a good chance on track for damehood within 5 years and/or perhaps end up as an overpaid multi-academy-trust boss if she want to cash in, which I really don't expect, as I believe in her passion, and I would not be against that if she achieves the success that she seems to be on track for.

I perceive the reactions of middle class people are mixed on this thread, and also quite predictable when future results come out - some will be attracted. The school is not trying to appeal to everybody. It is a marmite strategy, as I said earlier on the thread. So, some MC parents from the broader area will be attracted. Far from all will be, we agree on that. Some is enough when it is a large aread - 5 miles is plenty.

kesstrel · 02/12/2016 12:34

NW

No. Their chosen location is great for attracting both hard-working locals (including the demographic previously discussed) and (as they are successful over time), MC people from the broader 5 mile radius which they have purposefully chosen for their admissions policy.

Sorry, but I don't think you have actually demonstrated that they intend to attract people from a broader 5 mile radius, or that they have purposefully chosen the area for this reason.

I would also point out that this is the third location they have tried to set up the school in. It is extremely difficult to find suitable buildings for such a school in London, as many discussions of free schools have attested. So I am very doubtful about the feasibility of trying to pinpoint an area as "suitable" in the way you seem to be suggesting. And from everything I have read about them and the school, I don't think they would do so.

Nothing wrong with ambition. Are you against it, Kesstrel? I want my kids to be ambitious. I am ambitious. I am sure the head is too, and also driven and wanting to do good for the children, ...There is no contradiction or anything unethical there - there is simply no need for you to try to defend the school (again) on that. .

What you said in the comment I responded to was: The lottery is not a coincidence, it is a choice they have made probably because it is in the leadership's own interest Thank you for clarifying what you meant, but I don't think it was unreasonable for me to interpret it the way I did.

NWgirls · 02/12/2016 13:51

OK, perhaps it was pure luck that they ended up next to a brilliant tube station (and, partially, a hard-working demographic). They are in a convenient spot, anyway, and they did somehow find it and sign the lease. I am trying to give them some credit here...

The facts are clear and speak for themselves regarding their admissions policy. They chose an admissions policy that gives someone who lives 4.9 miles miles away the same chance as someone who lives 0.1 mile away. You actually think this was just luck? Or stupidity or unintended; say they just sloppily jotted it down without thinking about it? I don't. Although I don't have mind-reading skills, this (unlike property availability) was entirely in the school's control, and the content of the policy clearly demonstrates that (unless they are stupid or sloppy, which are options I am choosing to discard), yes, they are interested in attracting pupils from miles away if they can, at the expense of some unlucky locals. Just accept that, please, Kesstrel! And to reassure you (given that you seem keen to defend the school's noble intentions), I agree that this policy is not necessarily a bad or unfair one; it depends on how you look at it.

Actually, what would happen if all (London) state-funded schools had a 5-mile lottery policy, with no music / art / language / banding / churchgoing / whatever-sneaky-selection-of-MC-and/or-very-keen-and-clued-up hoops? Probably much fairer, in some/most ways! Less complex at least, with reduced house price / small-catchment pressure and probably excellent for social mobility. But that would take a brave government to push through... (And this thread is not for that debate, sorry)

kesstrel · 02/12/2016 15:26

Just accept that, please, Kesstrel!

Sorry, but I'm going to withdraw from this exchange, because I am not really interested in conducting discussions in the style you seem to prefer. Time will no doubt tell whether you are right.

NWgirls · 02/12/2016 15:49

Kesstrel, sorry that I upset you Flowers - I enjoy a good argument, perhaps a bit too much... I think you should continue, as you obviously both care and know a lot about this school, and you have contributed huge amounts to this thread. And I think we both agree that the school is likely to be academically successful and increasingly popular in the future.

TeenAndTween · 02/12/2016 16:32

By having the 5mile lottery, presumably that means that if the school is successful and house prices go up very near to it, people still living close-but-not-that-close still get a chance to attend?

Interesting discussion.

CauliflowerSqueeze · 02/12/2016 22:32

Turning the argument on its head a bit, my son's school is not disruptive at all without the level of discipline/ authoritarianism (particularly outside the classroom) that Michaela operates with. Why is that? Is it down to cohort, fee paying or cultural capital? Are there schools in London with different approaches to Michaela with and much perceived success?

Children's behaviour can have many factors at its root:

Poor nourishment - most richer children have fairly good diets. That is not always the case with those in very poor households, where parents may not have the time or knowledge to make healthy meals. Michaela has banned them bringing in any food or drink. This cuts out all the cans of red bull and bags of sugary cookies that constitute the diet of some children. A lack of healthy food can have an impact on behaviour.

Poor role-modelling
People who have been successful at school and have made the most of their education tend to be more positive about education. There is a big swathe of people who think it's a total waste of time and would rather their kids were working. Among MC families there is a tendency to have more of a "delayed gratification" - and so the importance of going to school so it builds up qualifications which lead to uni etc is ingrained. Poorer families need the money sooner rather than later in order to keep going. Kids soon feel that the work is "irrelevant" and "pointless". They are less likely to appreciate the importance of a rounded education ("why are we learning about religion? I don't want to be a priest"). At Michaela they apparently are constantly talking about their future at uni, something that they were not all likely to be invested in. With feeling their is a point, their behaviour will improve.

Supervision - parents in poorer families are likely to be working longer or more anti-social hours in order to pay bills. They don't have the same access to paid after school clubs or babysitters etc. By lower secondary level, some children (certainly on an estate near me) are out and about after dark with only pissed 15 year olds as their role models. This "street life" approach is a big problem because the norms of unsupervised teens don't tend to align with those of society as a whole. When teens have a good amount of time with socialised adults, they learn the different "codes" of behaviour. For example, your son would be likely to know the different code needed when he talks with his friends as when he talks to teachers. That's not always the case when a teen grows up with only really the "code" of the street.
Michaela are trying to combat this with the whole making them shake hands and look people in the eye.

"Authority" and "doing what you're told" are pretty uncool in society today. TV shows mock those who are compliant and obedient. Punishment is barely mentioned. In many schools, a response to asking a student to do some work might be: "errrrr no mate". "Don't think so 'Rebecca'!!" etc, to screams of laughter from others. Some parents would also support this "just a bit of banter"

You mentioned cultural capital - yes this can also be a factor in that teachers make constant references to this. Without any books at home or any visits to any theatres or galleries etc, any allusions to this will be lost on those who haven't been part of this, leading to further exclusion from their education.

In fact, the group of students performing far worse than any others is white working class boys.

Fee-paying - if parents are paying, they are far more likely to be very invested (too invested sometimes). That's absolutely not to say those parents with kids at state schools are not invested, but it's less likely to be the case . They therefore tend to want to feel that they have made a good choice with their choice of school.

multivac · 02/12/2016 22:43

In fact, the group of students performing far worse than any others is white working class boys

Indeed. And precious few of them at Michaela.

kesstrel · 03/12/2016 08:55

Cauliflower

Your post above explains so well a lot of what I've read about this subject. I would just add that peer group expectations also play a big role, in my opinion. The blogger Andrew Old has written about this:

"in my experience, most poor behaviour has something to do with the expectations of the peer group. There’s no point asking “well why did this student misbehave today?” when the reasons are sitting all around them. Most students behave in the way they think is normal, for somebody of their status, according to the values they have arrived at in collaboration with their peers."

Nearly all children start primary school motivated to please their teachers. As they mature, they start to become aware of peer hierarchy and the need to fit in, or the desire to attain status, and peer values become more and more important. What those values are will be shaped in part by the local culture, and especially by observing older siblings and older neighbourhood children. How much a school needs to use its authority over behaviour, in order to counteract that, will depend a lot on what that local culture is.

CauliflowerSqueeze · 03/12/2016 09:16

Kesstrel - yes absolutely

Multi - true, Interesting point. I wonder how that school would work out in a white working class area. That would be interesting. I'm just wondering how it would work out where I used to work and I can't imagine it would, because the community is very entrenched.

I wonder if the bonus of having lottery places and setting up a school in Brent is that the community is more transient and easier to mould? Maybe first generation immigrants possibly want more for their kids or come from a country where education is considered a privilege and a gift?

Maybe it's also easier to insist on those standards with parents who are less likely or able to kick up a fuss or parents who know they have the choice and can send their child to another school round the corner if they like it? Leaving those who are there as parents of kids who are more pro-school.

As a solitary school on a white working class estate, I am not sure it would work.

IrenetheQuaint · 03/12/2016 10:06

It will be v. interesting to see what happens with Michaela. If it gets an Ofsted Outstanding (and presumably it will receive an Ofsted inspection in the course of 2016-17?), I imagine it will aim to become a MAT and set up more free schools along the same lines. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a small NW London empire developing, a la West London Free School.

CauliflowerSqueeze · 03/12/2016 10:16

Yes she said she wants to set up Michaela 2 and 3 and 4.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 03/12/2016 10:50

I think you've managed to explain exactly what I couldn't quite put my finger on, Cauliflower. All this PR and emphasis on needing parental support feels advertising 'we can get results with the easy low attaining kids.' It's not quite as impressive as they are trying to convince people. It's just a more positive slant on the 'our kids don't get good results because they don't get parental support' excuse that's been lowering expectations for years.

I have to admit I'm more used to schools that get good results in disadvantaged areas with cohorts that are mainly white British and largely don't have parental support. So I'm a bit 'meh' about all the parental support emphasis and need a bit more evidence before I'm impressed by Michaela.

kesstrel · 03/12/2016 10:52

Irene Yes, it's due for its Ofsted inspection this year. They're certainly not banking on getting an Outstanding grade, though, from comments I've seen. Ofsted has suffered for 10 years or so from cost-cutting structural changes made in 2005. I've read some real horror stories by teachers writing about the arbitrary and unfair approach of some inspectors.

They've been trying to correct that over the last few years, and have got rid of a lot of what they viewed as "rogue" inspectors who weren't following the Ofsted guidelines for judging schools. But they are still issuing directives telling inspectors what they should NOT be doing - there was one just a week or two ago to say they are not to look for particular marking policies.

So I suspect a lot may still depend on the personal views of the lead inspector about how schools should approach behaviour and pedagogy. The report will certainly be an interesting read!

kesstrel · 03/12/2016 10:53

I have to admit I'm more used to schools that get good results in disadvantaged areas with cohorts that are mainly white British and largely don't have parental support.

But Rafal, I thought you were a primary school teacher...am I wrong?

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