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BTECs at college - Support thread 2

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TeenAndTween · 19/08/2016 11:45

Following on from the 2015 thread to inform and support each other through the ups and downs of BTECs. Mainly aimed at y12/13 level, but BTECs alongside GCSEs more than welcome too. Plus anyone just considering BTECs and wanting information.

What I learned last year:

You have to hit the ground running as the very first piece of work may well count towards your final grade

DD's course has 3 options like this.

Subsidiary Diploma - 9 units (1 year, 9 units (5 units, then 4 more))
Diploma - 12 units total (2 year, 6 units each year)
Extended Diploma 18 units total (2 year, 9 units each year, 5 in first half of year, 4 in second half)

DD is doing the Diploma (2 A level equivalent), but the college ensures that they do all the 4 'compulsory' units in the first year so if someone drops out they can still qualify for the Subsidiary Diploma (1 A level equivalent?).

You pretty much have to pass every single unit in order to pass the whole thing. There are limited opportunities to re-submit, but there are some. The Pass criteria for DD's course are quite straightforward (if you can structure things properly which DD struggles with). The Merit criteria are harder, and the Distinction criteria need a good level of analysis (that DD doesn't have).

Each unit is made up of a number of Pass, Merit and Distinction criteria. To reach each level you have to meet all the criteria at that level. So if on your first assignment for a unit you miss a Merit criteria, you can't get higher than a pass for the unit (as far as I understand).

Each unit gives you a number of Points. For DD mainly it is 70 for a pass, 80 for a Merit and 90 for a Distinction. To Pass the whole thing she would need 12x70 points - 840, equivalent to EE A level grades. To get CC equivalent she needs 920 minimum. To get AA she would need 1000 points.

DD has up to 3 teachers at any time, each teaching a unit. They teach a bit, and then set an assignment. For a week or 2 they don't teach in some lessons and they use the time to get on with the assignment. Then more teaching and second assignment. Around 4 assignments per unit.

What you don't have to do is 'extra' exam practice, question practice etc. So all work is pretty much set. The students don't have to work out extras. (However exactly what is required for some criteria is about as clear as mud, and DD seems to get little/no feedback on assignments to help her improve for future ones. Sometimes there seem to be implicit requirements that DD doesn't catch on about.)

Disclaimer. I don't know if all BTECs are like DD's !

A couple of useful tables for reference:

Table showing UCAS points

A level equivalent UCAS

And finally the Pearson BTEC site from where you can find specs, unit descriptions, and pass/merit/distinction criteria.

(Praying for less of a roller-coaster this year).

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TeenAndTween · 07/10/2016 11:52

Ask to see the assignment briefs when they are set. Don't accept a verbal summary from your DS...

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Manumission · 07/10/2016 19:03

Marking my place. DC3 opted for BTEC at the absolute last minute, having already missed two weeks' of term. This is our first experience of BTEC in the family so I need to get up to speed fast Smile

TeenAndTween · 07/10/2016 19:08

Welcome Manumission What BTEC is DC3 doing?

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Manumission · 07/10/2016 19:11

Media Production. Also new to me Smile

TeenAndTween · 07/10/2016 20:04

Presumably not printing newspapers Smile

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Manumission · 07/10/2016 20:43

Ha, no. Film and TV.

Draylon · 08/10/2016 18:26

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Manumission · 09/10/2016 16:39

I might have been, in another life Draylon 😄

I knew MN would be the answer to the information blackout 🙂

TeenAndTween · 13/10/2016 16:07

DD has 5 assignments on the go now. She is focussing on 1, and doing the others in the relevant lessons. I'm hoping 2 will be complete before half term, maybe 1 done at half term (we all need a decent break and we're going away), and the others finished off afterwards.
Trying to point out that every hour spent now is 1 hour less over half term.

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timeforabrewnow · 14/10/2016 10:52

Marking place on thread. It's possible my DS may be doing a BTEC this year (joining late) as he is not enjoying the experience of A levels at all.

Having read a little of this thread I'm concerned he'll have trouble catching up if he is accepted, on the other hand I don't want him 'treading water' for the next year.

Waiting to hear from the college today.

Draylon · 14/10/2016 15:52

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GasLightShining · 18/10/2016 18:55

Draylon He will have predicted grades based on GCSE results. That is not to say DS won't be able to do better than those but it will take a little while for the tutors to work this out.

My DS's predicted grades were MMM ( can't remember the exact grades but it wasn't any better than that and could have possibly been worse). It didn't take long for the tutors to realize that he could do better than this and was doing better. Their expectation moved to what he could do not what was predicted.

Good luck for the assignments.

Draylon · 18/10/2016 21:17

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HSMMaCM · 19/10/2016 07:47

Dd managed to get her predicted M for dance changed to a D. Apparently they'd 'forgotten' she missed a couple of practical assignments due to injury.

We saw a couple of their pieces on Monday night and now they are not enthusiastic about analysing the film of their work. Apparently they have to do it for real in the new year.

FozzieMK · 19/10/2016 11:14

Draylon If it works the same as my DD's IT BTEC then the quicker the assignment is completed and uploaded the better. This gives them the chance to 'change' things on recommendation if needed.

GasLightShining · 19/10/2016 19:20

DC are such hard work aren't they?

TeenAndTween · 19/10/2016 19:26

Draylon I agree with Fozzie if submitted early they can sometimes get unofficial early feedback to improve things before the formal deadline.

We are trying to help DD apply for work experience needed as part of her course. Anyone like to suggest how many on-spec applications might be needed to get 1 placement? We are in the dark. Guessing 20+

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Manumission · 19/10/2016 22:14

They keep us occupied I suppose gas Grin

Draylon · 20/10/2016 13:37

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EllenJanethickerknickers · 20/10/2016 16:17

Draylon, you seem to have a much better handle on things than I have with my DS. I know he has now handed in his first 2 assignments by the deadline, and is expecting them back with suggested areas for improvement, but as to their content, I'm clueless. He's doing the 2010 btec level 3 in IT, the software development option but all the work has been done in college so I've seen none of it. Your knowledge of the detail makes me wonder if I'm being too laid back. Confused

HSMMaCM · 20/10/2016 17:15

Ellen - my DD's friends have told me more about her coursework than she has. The teacher seems happy, dd seems happy, so I am happy.

Draylon · 20/10/2016 19:37

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EllenJanethickerknickers · 20/10/2016 20:50

Yes, I can see you're coming at it from a different place, draylon. Smile My DS2 has SN though, and doesn't keep me informed at all. I'm realising that the college won't tell me either unless I specifically ask them. Which I will have to do, I think. The ethos of his college seems very much focussed on treating them as young adults rather than children, which would be fine but DS needs a bit more supervision than average.

GasLightShining · 20/10/2016 22:52

The system is supposed to be much more strict now but it does annoy me that people I know have grades not much different to DS but are from the year above so had numerous attempts at it. Such is life though.

At the risk of sounding patronising I admire anyone that understands it. Have said it before but DS did L2 at school for two years and then the L3 for another two and I still couldn't get my head around it!!

As far as I am concerned there is plenty of time for them to be treated as adults when they are adults.

HSMMaCM · 21/10/2016 08:26

Agreed gas light. Dd is just learning to be independent. She is not ready to be fully independent yet. Although ... she does have some mug more capable friends. As usual, they are all different.