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Continuing Year 13: January 2016

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Needmoresleep · 06/01/2016 13:25

Only two more terms at school. Let's support each other support our DC in getting through to the end.

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hellsbells99 · 18/06/2016 10:38

Needmoresleep - 5 subjects! That's heck of a lot.
DD is doing 3 and an extra AS (but in further maths, so linked). She would have liked to have carried on with biology too after AS levels. School convinced her to drop it and I am very glad!
5 exams to go here.....on the homeward straight.
Snowy - is Sheffield your DD's insurance choice? I know a few teenagers who have gone there and all have loved it.

Needmoresleep · 18/06/2016 11:14

I don't think she really intended to take five. The fifth was a fun subject which she could have dropped after AS, and where Coursework marks count for a lot. However the breath was useful in terms of options had a medicine offer not come through, and will be, should she decide to intercalate. The real crunch came in March when she had three sets of coursework to complete and three University interviews. The other problem was that despite relatively long school days and Saturday morning school, she was only timetabled one free a week and had some additonal after school teaching, so had to be organised.

This term has been easier. Her offer is relatively low, and biology was an international A level and very early, presumably to avoid Ramadan. So though she did not need the fifith, there was no need to drop it. I think she has enjoyed studying a wider range of subjects, including something more practical. The other incentive has been that her brother owes his University place to keeping up a fifth A level, thus allowing him a disaster in a history paper.

She is doing science, where as long as you understand, revision is straightforward and mainly past papers. Five, even four humanities is a real slog, and A*s or high STEP grades are difficult to predict and anyone can have a bad day.

(Upthread esornep suggested "a number of such applicants come from top private schools and highly selective state schools, have Olympiad experience etc, so definitely have a head start in getting Ss." And they do, so it is not unfair to expect top performance. However the very best mathematicians we have come across are usually sitting on unconditional offers from American Universities as well. Its a small number but I wonder how often the reduced pressure during the summer, and more time to prepare for things like Olympiads, would tip the balance.)

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hellsbells99 · 18/06/2016 11:22

Your DD is obviously very well organised - and very clever! Good luck to her.
DD needs an A* as part of her offer so I have my fingers crossed.
At our school, no one would think about applying for American universities - it is not that sort of school!

Needmoresleep · 18/06/2016 11:56

Yes, however the Olympiad system allows good mathematicians to first be talent spotted by academic private schools. It is by no means unusual for state school pupils to switch to selective private sixth forms (where often they are surprised to find themselves no longer the big fish in the pond, but equally enjoy the stretching, the STEP preparation and so on) and then for the best it is possible to be invited to summer maths camps in the States where they meet similar kids from around the world.

If on this path, a choice of MIT or Cambridge then follows.

But all observational, though I was impressed by the outside school support friend's DD was being offered after performing well in maths challenges in Yr 10. Though she may still have been better off switching to a selective sixth form where maths would be considered cool. And not just private. Locally both the Kings Maths School and Harris Westminster seem to provide the support young mathematicians need. This and a trend to local sixth forms working together to increase the numbers of subjects available and support for things like medical school applications, seem to be good ways to raise aspirations and to support the most able.

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MorvahRising · 18/06/2016 14:15

hellsbells DS can relate to the brain mush! D1 is also less of an issue for him as it's not part of his offer. Sounds as though our two are doing very similar subjects. C3 and C4 are vital for him next week too.

He was originally going to keep up chemistry as well as the other three plus FM AS but thank goodness he didn't. He needs AAA and at the moment is is very worried about the A. He was hoping for maths but after the M2 he's not sure he's done well enough so it may have to be the physics.

I agree with the comment upthread about three years' worth of stress and non-stop work. I'm glad that AS levels are being phased out, although it's too late for our lot. Lower Sixth should be a fun, in-between year with hard work but also time for socialising, making mistakes, a bit of dreaming and plenty of extra curricular stuff before the real grind begins in Upper Sixth again.

hellsbells99 · 18/06/2016 14:24

Hi Morvah. DD2 needs the same grades! If your DS got a high ums in his AS maths then 1 bad paper in M2 won't matter as it is only C3 and C4 that will count towards the A. DD1's friend last year got a C in her applied paper (was D1) that she used in her A level maths and still got an A with an A in her further maths AS levels - the applied modules can be jiggled about between the A level and the AS further maths to give the best grade. .....or something like that!

snowy508601 · 18/06/2016 17:34

Good news is DD has finally braved 'student room ' where the community have put togeter answers for the STEP 2 paper and she now think she has done quite a bit better than she first thought.
Next week brings an exam every day starting with Physics 4 on Monday (edexcel) and I think Chem 5 (aqa) on Tuesday.Her littlest sis (Y6) will be going for induction day on Tuesday which of course starts and finishes at different times to DD1's exam, so I wil be doing 4 trips to school that day (very poor public transport here!)
I am so looking forward to it all being over and then we can relax and enjoy the summer!

hellsbells99 · 18/06/2016 19:40

Good news about the Step Snowy 😄

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Dunlurking · 19/06/2016 11:53

Anyone else's dc got Drama tomorrow morning (AQA)? Ds has spent the last 2 days annotating the copies of the plays that he takes in with him. And he's got hours left to do. Did your dc do this months ago - should I be worried? I think he's relying on his AS and practical marks (A and A*) to get him through but he needs an A overall.

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MorvahRising · 19/06/2016 14:02

hellsbells that sounds promising; I wish there were an online maths calculator which lets you work out all the possibilities between papers and results! So far his C1 and C2 are fine, as were S1 and FP1 and D1 so maybe it will work out OK if C3 and C4 are OK. Mind you, he says those other ones were fine. We don't actually know yet and on occasions he can be slightly over-optimistic . . . . . !

Good luck to those with economics and drama tomorrow. We have physics.

AtiaoftheJulii · 19/06/2016 14:26

I wish there were an online maths calculator which lets you work out all the possibilities between papers and results!

Lol, when I was tutoring, I asked my dad to write me such a program - he never bloody did though!

For an A* in maths, you need 180 ums from C3 and C4 combined, and 480 from all six papers. From which, using only basic arithmetic, you can see that you only actually need 300 from C1, C2 and your two applied, which hopefully shouldn't be a problem.

When you chuck FM into the mix, it gets more complicated, but this is a good explanation:
"The rules say that of all the valid combinations of units possible the only ones considered are those that give the best possible grade for A level Maths. Of these combinations only the ones that then give the best possible grade for A level Further maths are considered. Of these combinations one is selected that gives the highest possible UMS score for A level Maths."

AtiaoftheJulii · 19/06/2016 14:34

Dd has Spanish tomorrow. Then C3 and C4 Tues and Fri.

She overslept this morning - I'd seen her online earlier and assumed she was working in her room, but she'd actually gone back to sleep until after midday. So she's in a foul mood now, and is "probably going to fail her exams".

hellsbells99 · 19/06/2016 15:15

And of course it is all your fault Atia.....Wink
Physics here tomorrow too.

AtiaoftheJulii · 19/06/2016 15:38

Failing maths (i.e. getting an A instead of an A*) will definitely be my fault because she's only doing it because it's the only subject I care about.

(It's the only subject I know anything about, and can offer any help with, which is slightly different!)

Needmoresleep · 19/06/2016 15:49

Atia, it all sounds a bit like when you want to buy three reasonably expensive items in Boots and one much cheaper of, and they have a two for the price of three offer, with the cheapest item being free. Or am I the only one who holds onto the cheap item till reassured that the offer has been processed.

I never understood how marks for the double were allocated except that with reasonably good AS DS did not have to do much to get the A in Maths. Further was much more complicated and all seemed to hang on FP2. Looking at school results, a much higher proportion of double mathematicians seem to get the A in maths than might be predicted. Presumably because the best marks can be set against Maths.

DD did not do as well as she might in C1 and C2, but is not resitting but practicing C3 and C4 instead. (I say practicing, but we have the distractions of football, rugby, and YouTube clips of dogs getting stuck in sofas.)

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SecretMcSquirrels · 19/06/2016 17:27

I remember when DS1 was doing extra Maths papers the exams office checked with the examining board about how they would be allocated, and the answer was as Atia says. So, it's actually impossible to get A in Maths and A* in FM Grin

DS not doing FM thank goodness. C3 was "very tough" but C4 was "good". Just three more papers to go....

Dunlurking · 19/06/2016 19:41

Good luck all for Physics, Economics, Spanish, and Drama tomorrow.

AtiaoftheJulii · 19/06/2016 20:07

Atia, it all sounds a bit like when you want to buy three reasonably expensive items in Boots and one much cheaper of, and they have a two for the price of three offer, with the cheapest item being free. Or am I the only one who holds onto the cheap item till reassured that the offer has been processed.

lol yes, carefully putting things through in the right order Grin

hellsbells99 · 19/06/2016 20:22

Actually I think it is possible to get an A in maths and an A* in FM if they get less than 90% average on C3 and C4 but score very highly on the others papers ......but that would be a very odd result I agree!
If you need to be good at maths just to work the grades and combinations out Wink

EllenJanethickerknickers · 19/06/2016 21:25

DS1 has physics (AQA) tomorrow, C3 maths on Tues and C4 on Friday this week with FP2 and Physics the week after.

We've just been chatting about grades and we reckon it is possible to get an A for maths and an A* for further maths but it's just unusual. You'd have to get below 180 UMS for C3 and C4 combined but do really well, above 90% in FP2 and the applied modules.

DS2 has now finished his GCSEs and poor DS1 has another 10 days to go. DS2 might be rubbing it in a bit. Hmm

EllenJanethickerknickers · 19/06/2016 21:26

Actually, that's what you said, hellsbells! Blush

hellsbells99 · 19/06/2016 21:28

Smile EllenJane .....told you we needed to be good at maths to try and work it out!

snowy508601 · 19/06/2016 23:44

At DDs school they do FP2 and FP3 (both of which have to go in FM).
I have been trying to think through the effect of this- there is one fewer 'flexible' A2 module.I think it increases the chance of a FM A and reduces the chance of a maths A (but I might very well be wrong!)
The think that confuses me is that DD did M1, S1 and D1 last yaers as AS modules, but the single mathematicians have done M1 t as an A2 module! So are DDs M1,S1 and D1 locked into AS or could any be moved into A2 ? it is so confusing!!
Good luck to all our young dramatists,economists, physicists and linguists tomorrow!

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