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Workingtoohard123 · 18/06/2015 13:00

I am presently considering senior schools for my DS. The Head at his Prep School has suggested Winchester College. The only reservation that I have is that my DS is a gifted all round sportsman (Cricket, Football, Athletics). Looking at WCs results, they seem to lose regularly at most team sports. Does anyone have anything positive to say about sport at WC?

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summerends · 08/07/2015 17:55

Workingtoohard just to echo DarklingJane.
It also sounds from your initial posts that you would quite like the idea of the weekly boarding that Charterhouse offers. We definitely would have preferred weekly boarding as a family at the stage you are now with your DS but in the end he preferred W.

peteneras · 09/07/2015 20:18

”We`re planning to visit Eton and have visited Charterhouse.”

OK, Workingtoohard, that’s very sensible of you to be looking at other schools and it’s good to hear you’ve visited Charterhouse and is very impressed. I suppose you’d be just as impressed if not more so, when you visit WC sometime later on.

That being the case, I’m honestly just now a little bit concerned when the time comes for you to visit Eton and halfway through the visit you’re completely and utterly swept off your feet Grin, smitten by the facilities which are out of this world from a school 170 years older than Charterhouse but with a futuristic outlook comparable to that of the USA's Harvard and MIT!

Oh, and with regards to WC’s excellent/fantastic reputation which you seem to be very keen on (you mentioned it twice), I’d leave this issue of ‘reputation’ to the rest of the world to decide:

Japan

India

Malaysia

Africa

Sri Lanka

and

The Middle East to name but just a few countries.

Good luck!

happygardening · 09/07/2015 22:24

OP one of the joys of being able to pay for education is that we are free to look carefully at a variety of schools and find one that suits us and our DC's. We don't all want the same thing, some are very impressed by breath taking facilities, an endless list of impressive old alumni, others want tradition, others a 21 century education others are looking for something more nuanced and discreet, we personally love Win Coll's unique daily Div lesson, the following of a non examined curriculum but not all want this and that fine we're all different. As one parent said in a rather loud voice on a tour of a school many years ago "for 30k (36 now) a year they've all got Olympics Swimming pools, manicured playing fields and books going back to the 13 th century what I want to know is what is the ethos that underpins this place?" That in my opinion is that challenge, some ram it down your neck, we visited SPS (3 times) and what it was all about was very obvious, nothing was hidden, I personally loved it, modern, liberal, multicultural, no meaningless ritual, ridiculous uniform, a true 21st century education but we found some staff slightly unhelpful, and it suited a sort of boy that I didn't and indeed don't think my DS is. We found Win Coll is more subtle, I couldn't initially see what it was all about and was frankly unimpressed at the open day but after three or four visits I worked out what it's all about and it suits us and it does suit the sort of boy my DS is. No one is wrong in their choice providing it works for them, the key is to find a school that comes closest to our must have/mustn't have list. It doesn't really matter to anyone else if you want Sanskrit lessons and 1-1 tiddlywinks lessons it's all about you and your DC. Look at as many schools as you can, talk to as many pupils and staff as you can preferably not on guided tours/open days but when they are just going about there everyday school life, look and listen to pupils, is this how you want your DS to turn our, talk to staff, do you feel that you are all singing from the same hymn sheet do they give you confidence? Can you see your DC there, can you see yourself working with the staff in the event of a problem? Decide what you want from education as well. Also decide if you the flexibility of weekly boarding or full boarding, think about travel times etc. The more schools you look at the more you'll start to form a view on what could works for you. Talk to parents with pupils at senior schools. Do these parents have the same outlook on education/life as you do? If something really matters to you ask either the school or existing parent (who are frankly more likely to give you an honest answer). I don't believe that there's a school out there that's right for all bright sporty musical boys and their parents. There are many excellent schools who educate these type of boys (and girls) take time to find one that feels right for you. Do to be swayed by "big names" or "reputations", the school that's currently your prep schools flavor of the month or single rooms and en suite bathrooms these things are all window dressing. I wouldn't spend to lomg pouring over exam results either there isn't that much to choose between many of them. Finally I do believe that as parents we have to really believe in our choice for our individual DC's, of we're positive so will they be.

peteneras · 10/07/2015 10:23

OP, if you can put your hand on heart, look up to Heaven and say, paying £36,000 p.a. for an education (which to all intents and purposes can be had absolutely free elsewhere) a “joy”, then May your Lord bless you, in the Name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Purse!

Amen!

Workingtoohard123 · 13/07/2015 17:57

I see that a new Head has been appointed at WC, commencing Sept 2016. I wonder if he will be placing greater emphasis on sporting achievement?. He is presently at Magdalan College I believe.

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summerends · 13/07/2015 21:33

Workingtoohard I think you have misunderstood what we (or at least I) have been trying to explain about Winchester. Generally the coaching is fine and even very good for most sports. However as a school it selects quite a few boys who have other strengths but don't like team sports and are attracted to the liberal attitude to sporting participation.
To make it a sporty school which wins a lot across lots of teams you either have to make it a very large school (like Eton) to increase the pool of sporty boys amongst the others or change the selection (and therefore ethos of the school) by attracting primarily sporty boys or sporty boys who are also all rounders (like your DS). The headmaster would then also have to enforce main team sports and not allow boys to focus their time on other interests like music should they wish to.
There are already quite a few sporty all round boys' schools such as Charterhouse or Tonbridge or Radley. Understandably those or Eton might be more your type of school.
Tim Hands has certainly tried to build good sport coaching at MCS and may well continue that at Winchester but it would be unlikely IMO for him to fundamentally change the direction of Winchester.

Workingtoohard123 · 13/07/2015 22:48

Sorry Summerends. I have read your posts and appreciate you explaining your views to me. Its just that I have also spoken to other sources and have received mixed messages. You believe WC`s approach to sport is "set in stone"?

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summerends · 14/07/2015 05:42

Workingtoohard there is emphasis on sporting achievement, it is certainly valued but IMO just not valued more than other activities (although inevitably some housemasters do). In case we are talking at cross-purposes, what sort of sports structure would you ideally like at Winchester?
Don't forget that MCS is a day school and therefore inevitably the sporty boys there will be receiving extra training playing for outside clubs and in the county development programmes outside school hours.

HockeyDad · 15/02/2021 11:08

@summerends

Workingtoohard if your DS wants to play rugby or has ambitions to be a professional sportsman or wants termtime weekday evening release for county training forget Winchester. The A / B squads in cricket and football are serious and well coached however the teams will have a smaller pool of boys to select from compared to a school like Eton which is so much larger or other schools that attract mainly sporty boys. The athletics, crosscountry and minor sports are very good whilst tennis and rowing are not bad at all. The advantage for the above is that boys can focus on them rather than having time divided between main team sports and minor sports.

Basically apart from the criteria in my first sentence your DS will have what he needs to develop and enjoy sport and play for serious university teams, he may actually find other sports he prefers aside from the main team sports and be able to focus on them by daily training. The downside of relatively fewer very sporty boys has to be balanced with the advantages of Winchester including its unique academic programme and in your case proximity to school.

Dear Parents (with first hand experience of Winchester Coll)

Sorry just reviving an old message, as it had been suggested in this thread that due to the lack of differentiation between major vs minor sports at Win Coll, it is possible to have daily (coached?) training in some niche sports like fencing or sailing or squash.

Does this mean that, for example, if my son were to take up say fencing or sailing, then he would have access to a coached session daily (or perhaps 3x a week) for every term in his 5 years there?

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