Cultural capital = tell me more

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So I keep reading about what private education gives you over state is cultural capital. I think I have an idea about this but interested in MNers pov.
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What? Zero, I am state educated. Obviously that means I struggle to use the appropriate vocabulary
Happy- I am generalising of course. However, my DS is in Y1 and he has already lost his 3 closest friends to other schools, primarily because their parents were unhappy at how the school had changed. They are now in more traditional schools further out into the counties.
Sunny- anyone would see that as vile behaviour. Schooling doesn't come into it.

Unpleasant people come from all walks of life. Unfortunately, wealth and a good education do not automatically go along with warmth, tact or sensitivity to others.

"schooling doesnt come into it"
I think it does though. State ed kids will have been mixing with all sorts from an early age and by the late teens would see nothing amusing about mocking people with learning difficulties. Private school kids however, some of them that is, will not have mixed with anyone 'different' and will have problems integrating into real society. IMO.

Bases is talking about "white flight".

They are now in more traditional schools further out into the counties.

Why the hell s/he can't come out and say it plainly instead of hiding behind codewords like traditional I just do not know.

But there are plenty of examples of people with learning difficulties being abused or even used as slaves by state educated people. Nasty people are nasty people - their own experiences in their own homes frequently trump anything their schools try to teach them about tolerance and respect.

true that stewie, but you know what I am saying.

I think it's true that, just as it is not the same to learn about Renaissance Art on the internet rather than experience it in real life, it is not the same to know that in theory that there are people out there without your abilities, resilience and experiences, rather than experience that in practice. It's much easier to believe your theories that there are tonnes of fat people out there on benefits who could quite easily lose weight if you punished them enough for being fat, if you haven't actually experienced them in real life.

sunny if it were the case that state schooled people were not disablist / sexist/ homophobic etc then ( since this is the vast majority of the population) these things would have died a death .

They haven't.

QED.

that is because privately educated people head up the government and media wordfactory,

So disablist/sexist/homophobic state schooled people are only so be because the nasty private schooled people force them to be?seriously?

no not entirely seriously but there is something in it.

I have noticed this lack in privately educated people over and over again down the years.

Word You know perfectly well there was nothing like the amount of blatant hostility towards the unmoneyed sick and disabled under any previous government. Not in my lifetime anyway. They clearly encourage it.

Well, I think some people do choose private schools because they don't want to have anything to do with other peoples' problems and inadequacies and think they'll be more free from them in a private school - free not to have to help prop up the less able and thus be "held back" by them. It's part of the belief that it is better for society to let the most able, or most rich, get on with perfecting their abilities or wealth, rather than hold them back with weights that the less able or wealthy have to bear. It's a type of trickle-down theory, isn't it? That society benefits from freeing up the most able and letting them race ahead of the rest, because their fantastic ideas and abilities then benefit us all... Whether this works or just builds resentment is another question.

Privately educated people may head up the government but they like thise in power through out history are giving the people what they think the people want to stay in power. It used to be bread and circuses now it's attacking and denigrating obese drug taking benefit scroungers and immigrants.
Sunny I don't know what sort of children you've met from private school but none I've met would ever tease those with learning difficulties. All of the adult I know who've been privately educated have no absolutely difficulty integrating and functioning in normal society even those who've been to the most insular bubble like of schools.

Sunny If the relevant child in the family doesn't entirely screw up his exams he will, come September, be boarding in a house that could not accommodate a wheelchair user and would be almost impossible for anyone who struggled with stairs. (A boy might sleep in a room on the ground floor but he'd never be able to get up to the housemasters study ...)

Both school and house are perfectly lovely in every other way - but the complete absence of empathy for the less physically able really scares me.

well all schools were like that back in the 70s and we didn't give it a second thought! I am not even sure what I am saying but it is always good to discuss.

"all mainstream schools

One of the motivations towards 'othering' specific groups is to avoid being 'othered' yourself. It's clearly not the only motivation behind in the current government's policies but it is certainly not irrelevant either. The idea of 'we're all in it together' (when clearly, we aren't) is designed to gather people into the group-think fold. If you can distract a big enough proportion of the majority from the issue of social and financial inequality and instead target their ire at a different issue, then you can get away with...anything, it seems.

You seem to be assuming rabbit that money protects you from inadequacies and problems. Rich people just like poor people have health problems, die early, get divorced, drink in excess, take drugs, suffer from neuroses, they have badly behaved children and even children with learning difficulties, they abuse their children physically, sexually and emotionally and beat their wives.
They might be better at covering it up but it still goes on.

happygardening - it's rubbish to say that people heading up the government just give people what they want to stay in power. They go out of their way to try to manipulate people into thinking the way they want them to by trying to appeal to peoples' base instincts in one way or the other. That is not the same thing as trying to work out what everyone wants, it's just trying to express what YOU as a politician wants in a way that manipulates others.

happygardening - I'm assuming no such thing.

Use of the word "some" is a bit of a clue.

Zero When I lived in another county my neighbours DS had MD and used an electric wheel chair only one state school in a twenty miles radius could accommodate him.
I do to think on either sector it's about not wanting too many are significantly constrained by building and in the independent sector in particular these are sometimes grade1 listed therefore except from disability access laws.

I know - but I tremble for any boy who encounters serious injury or illness during his school career there.

(And felt terrible for the mother on a recent thread whose injured DS was being discouraged from attending school till he was fully recovered.)

Schools in both sector are slow to move with times, the state I suspect lacks the financial recourses to install lifts everywhere especially at senior schools where there may be multiple buildings and the independent sector may also lack the financial recourses, have multiple building and be constrained by listed buildings.
I know a boarding school that's just built a beautiful more disabled friendly boarding house although of course much of the rest of the school remains inaccessible to a wheelchair user.
I've worked with physically disabled children in mainstream schools and it's exceedingly difficult for them and their parents IME they often get a pretty poor service.