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Eton assessment afternoon - help! And Tonbridge, too

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Thereshallbeaspirin · 19/09/2014 11:48

DS going for interviews/assments this month at both the above. Aptitude Tests / assessments themselves not a problem - he's fine on all of these, but not sure what he should expect in terms of the interviews? Anyone got any insight they can share?

DS is a sociable sports-mad and very bright all-rounder, so in theory ought to have enought to talk about, but he is firmly of the view that talking about himself and what he does is 'showing off' so I'm not sure he will sell himself very well, especially if they floor him with something unexpected.

Thx in advance...

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vjg13 · 19/09/2014 12:13

Not sure for those schools but for the independent selective schools here, the questions at interview have included current affairs, who is the French/USA president, what is happening in Syria etc.

Thereshallbeaspirin · 19/09/2014 14:39

Really? For 10yo kids? Confused

My son has asked about stuff like Syria and IS, but even I'm hard pressed to name the current French President.

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ZeroSomeGameThingy · 19/09/2014 15:21

It's a great skill to be able to discern the line between "selling oneself" and "showing off...Grin

From what I remember of the "tour talk" at one of those schools they definitely don't go out of their way to trip little boys up with sneaky questions about global politics or high finance (their example.) Although obviously some broad basic familiarity would help anyone to feel more confident.

What is more important is that your DS can converse with sincerity about why he wants to attend that particular school. If he has no experience of boarding can he say why he thinks he would enjoy it. If he does board - what does he like about it?

Also - beyond being "bright" can he demonstrate, in the space of a few minutes, a genuine enthusiasm for learning? (Without being in the least rehearsed.)

And will he make the place fun???

(Can't help with the other school I'm afraid! Although I'm not sure I've been helpful at all anyway...)

Michaelahpurple · 19/09/2014 20:11

He does need to ago off a bit (in a polite way) but most importantly should appear outward- going and perky. Two word answers are unlikely to do it.

Thereshallbeaspirin · 21/09/2014 09:12

Outgoing and perky should be fine, and we will practice on the 'vague showing off' front - reversing a decade of advice to the contrary which we have drilled into our DCs Grin

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Dapplegrey · 21/09/2014 09:29

Thereshall - at the Eton interview my ds was asked about his interests and when he said he liked doing things with his friends, the master asked him 'what do you consider important in a friendship and ds answered ' someone who I like doing things with and someone who I'm loyal to and who is loyal to me".
I think as the others have said, be chatty and enthusiastic.

Dapplegrey · 21/09/2014 09:30

Oh, and very best of luck to your ds.

peteneras · 21/09/2014 09:45

Don’t know much about Tonbridge . . . but, Eton is always keen to find out first and foremost whether a boy can adapt to full-time boarding or not. Questions, either directly or indirectly will be asked around this subject. This shouldn’t come as a surprise at all in what is absolutely a full-time boarding school for almost 600 years.

There wouldn’t be any ‘trick questions’, I don’t think - the school is very eager to find out what sort of boy they have in front of them at the interview. Therefore, simple questions like, “What is your ambition and where do you see yourself in (say) 25 years time?” may well be asked. Your boy should dispel the misconception in his head that talking about himself is ‘showing off’. There is of course, a big difference between showing off (usually empty vessels) and the ‘genuine article’ and you bet Eton can spot which is which from a mile!

On the contrary, your boy is there to talk about himself. Eton is most interested to know what qualities he has and what contributions he can bring to the school; if he doesn’t talk, Eton won’t know. To quote an official Eton line - What can he bring to the party? - and he should be able to talk about these freely without any pretences. Interestingly, someone asked the same question elsewhere recently about Eton interviews and I wrote:

”I’d suggest your son brings along with him a small object which represents something that your son knows a lot about and can talk in great details about the subject. I remember my son brought with him a small piece of off-cut marble from the builders and he was impressing the interviewers with the history of the Elgin Marbles and why they should be returned to Greece.”

As regards questions on politics and world/current affairs, in all my experiences with the school, I cannot remember even one occasion when politics was discussed anywhere within the school. If anything, Eton goes to great lengths to avoid talking about politics. I suppose there’s no need for this particular school to do that. Current affairs may have been briefly talked about in passing between parents.

Good luck for the assessment/interview.

Thereshallbeaspirin · 21/09/2014 09:48

Thank you for the good luck wishes.

DS usually eclipsed in our house by his, er, 'over-vocal' sister, but hopefully will come across fine.

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IndridCold · 21/09/2014 09:48

My DS had an enthusiastic conversation about his interest in circus skills, and also gave such a good review of the book he was reading, that the master asked him for the details so she could get it for her niece.

Lively and communicative is what they are looking for, do not swot up on current affairs unless he is genuinely interested.

Good luck!

Thereshallbeaspirin · 21/09/2014 10:19

Thanks, for detailed advice, petenarus.

DS's best friends at his prep all board (he would too if there was less chapel Grin), so he knows all about the pros and cons of that. And he is also able to talk about his aims (normal stuff although he is very aware that his USP is a very weird depth of spatial awareness that has been picked up in science and DT and ICT, so he can probably talk well about that, because it flavours some of his ambitions).

I am probably being too tunnel-visioned and worrying myself needlessly. I know school reference is very strong, and hopefully they can use that to guide him into stuff he wouldn't necessarily raise himself (eg he flatly refuses to even think about telling them he's a chorister, on grounds that 'nobody would ever want to hear someone talking about that'). Still, am sure, as you say, that they know enough about 10 year old boys to be able to sort the wheat from the chaff. Hopefully.

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Thereshallbeaspirin · 21/09/2014 10:26

Strokes chin and wonders if too late to send him off to Billy Smart's circus...

God, I need to think of something unusual. rugby, sailing, rowing, dr who, Kaiser Chiefs and Xbox is all far too normal.

He saved up his pocket money for two years in order to buy three pigs, which he looks after. Will that do? Not sure there's much you can say about kune-Kunes other than they go intro trances when you rub their ears and don't like mushrooms.

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peteneras · 21/09/2014 10:52

Wow! Thereshall! Really?

I am very impressed. I bet Eton will be very impressed too.

It's done. Take a piece of bacon, wrap it round lovingly and put it in a lunchbox. Surprise the masters with the lunchbox and ask them to make a guess what's inside.

After a few (wrong) guesses, open the lunchbox to reveal the bacon. Now start talking about the origin of the bacon and finally floor them by saying he has three pet pigs that he had saved for a few years to acquire. Suggest to them that since the School has a pack of beagles, perhaps they might consider starting to keep some pigs too and he would be their No.1 advisor. Grin

Thereshallbeaspirin · 21/09/2014 11:11

You know it wouldn't even have crossed my mind that those pigs would be a potential topic of conversation if I hadn't started this thread. But yes, he can chat for hours about those pigs, he chose the breed, chose the particular pigs from the litter, helped his Dad secure the field and knows all there is to know about pigs. It's an easy thing for him to talk about and his face lights up when he chats about them. They will get the measure of him in a heartbeat.

Thank you so, so much. Something he can chat about happily on top of the academic stuff and his character will come out easily. And to him it won't be showing off, either.

Thanks so much for this.

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IndridCold · 21/09/2014 11:11

The pigs sound like a winner, they will love that!

He does know he will have chapel 6 days a week at Eton Smile...

peteneras · 21/09/2014 11:25

So it's bacon he's bringing to the party then. Well done! I've no doubt it's a winner but please keep us informed.

Thereshallbeaspirin · 21/09/2014 11:37

I will report back, mid October.

I may by then have confessed to my son that chapel might, um, feature just occasionally in the curriculum...

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Thereshallbeaspirin · 14/10/2014 03:09

Thanks again for the responses. We are now out the other side, having done Tonbridge last week and Eton yesterday. Fortunately we already have a firm place at our third alternative so that's it for us for this DC (I did feel sorry for the poor mum I spoke to yesterday who is lined up to do assessments at another six schools).

DS was interviewed by one of the few women teachers at Eton and declared her absolutely amazing. So amazing, in fact, that he completely forgot his carefully rehearsed answers to the 'boarding' question and told her instead that he was sure he'd miss his mummy and local Rugby club, so he didn't think he'd enjoy boarding very much. Aargh. He said the chat went along at a fair clip, and he never mentioned the pigs at all. He did however tell her all about being in chapel choir (including the bit about disliking wearing a red 'dress' in the cathedral), and he also mentioned some of his his non-rugby interests (getting him off the topc of rugby very difficult at moment because he is currently proudly sporting his first broken nose). He threatened before the interview to declare his ambition be a spy when he grew up, and I haven't dared ask him if he followed through on that, as not sure I want to know the answer.

All in all I think the boarding comment might relegate him to waiting list at best, but we are done and dusted now. I think they must have seen the 'real' him, given what he's told me, and that's the best if could have hoped for. He has a place in an excellent top flight school already, so anything more would be a fabulous bonus, but for now the pressure is off and he's come through cheerful and chilled, which is a good result, whether he gets offers or not.

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grovel · 14/10/2014 10:33

Thereshallbeaspirin, good luck. It sounds as though you are sorted whatever the outcome.

Eton introduced the pre-test and interview because they felt that their old admissions system was not always finding boys who took full advantage of their teaching and/or sufficiently used their stunning facilities. The interview (in my understanding) is as much about "enthusiasm" as about specific answers.

IndridCold · 14/10/2014 13:53

Fingers crossed for you Thereshall. An interesting insight into how hard it actually is to prepare for these things Smile.

peteneras · 16/10/2014 11:26

Hello Thereshall! Many thanks for updating us about your son’s Eton interview as you promised you would. But first, Congratulations for securing a firm place at your third alternative. Come what may, I’m sure this third alternative will give your son a fantastic education as would Tonbridge and Eton.

But please do not give up hope on Eton yet. You may think your son has had a ‘less-than-perfect interview’ but what you perceive may not necessarily be true. From my angle, what I see is an absolutely honest boy who says he’d miss his mum and his rugby club if he goes to boarding school. Eton is not dead in the head not to realise a young 13-year-old will miss his mother, family, pet, home comfort, local friends and club, etc. when he goes away to boarding school.

The School cannot give him his natural mother when he attends, of course not, but what it can do is to give him an ‘alternative mother’ in the shape of the house Dame. In my opinion, the Eton Dames are an unsung lot who do much fantastic work behind the scenes to get the School to where it is in today’s world standing. In an entirely boys school, besides a few female teachers, the Dames are about the only female species that the boys have regular contact with. The tremendous work they do are often taken for granted, anything from sewing back a lost shirt button, to dispensing out medicines to a boy who’s ill, to give moral support to a boy’s first performance in the concert hall or playing field, to even preparing the flowers (usually representing House colours) to be worn on the boy’s suit lapel on the Fourth of June!

As for rugby, your boy shouldn’t worry about missing his local club because there are enough rugby teams at the School that the only worry that your boy may have is to think of how to clinch a place in the ‘A’ team.

I wonder if your boy has been reading or perhaps viewing too much of the James Bond books/movies for him to be wanting to declare his spy ambitions? Smile As you may/may not know, the world’s most famous spy, James Bond, attended Eton. This is of course, fictional. But what is factual is that James Bond’s creator, Ian Flemming was an Old Etonian. And in the modern world of espionage, perhaps one of the most infamous spy, Guy Burgess also attended Eton. So your son’s ambition to be a spy is not without its precedence. . . Grin

Thereshallbeaspirin · 16/10/2014 15:27

Yes, my son and I have discussed the Eton link with top-notch spies before, but it was an article in the Sunday Times a couple of weeks back, saying that GCHQ actively seek out dyslexics (which he is) that has set his mind racing and he now thinks its a done deal, career-wise. So much for my aim to steer him toward architecture or radiology to utilise those dyslexic skills...

Thanks all for your supporting comments over past few weeks. Has been a roller coaster this term because in top of the school visits I also put him through the 11+ (mean old mum that I am, considering he won't need it anyway). Found out yesterday that he sailed through that, so its a happy household here.

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Thereshallbeaspirin · 16/10/2014 15:29

...excepting of course that he's now twigged that he won't have to do common entrance of he goes to grammar. Or chapel choir. So you can guess which schools have now jumped to the top of the list in his eyes.

Have told him the local grammar is not well known for spy production.

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IndridCold · 16/10/2014 15:34

Funnily enough I noticed the name Maurice Buckmaster up on the wall of DSs house recently. He left Eton in 1920 and went on to become the head of SOE operations in France during the war. Another spy to add to the list!

grovel · 16/10/2014 15:51

Add in:

Major General Sir Stewart Graham Menzies, KCB KCMG DSO MC (30 January 1890 – 29 May 1968) was Chief of MI6 (SIS), British Secret Intelligence Service from 1939 to 1952, during and after the Second World War.