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summer uniform

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sassysally · 25/04/2014 12:03

what does your state school have?
We have girls- school summer dress with white socks or flesh coloured tights + blazer (a bit weird, if it is hot enough for a summer dress why would you wear a blazer?)
Boys - no summer option- long trousers shirt,tie,blazer

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RaspberryLemonPavlova · 25/04/2014 20:20

State secondary. Jumpers, shirt and tie compulsory in winter and permission required to remove jumper. Option of school poloshirt in summer, no jumper necessary.

At formal events DC are required to wear ties and shirts again though.

mummytime · 25/04/2014 20:33

After half term they can wear house shirts (subject to their year group having been good on Uniform before). When the temperature gets high they are allowed either normal uniform or house shirts without blazer.
At present it's mainly abit cold for summer uniform IMHO.

AmberTheCat · 25/04/2014 21:45

I find it amazing how many people seem to accept ridiculous school rules without questioning them. Why on earth should anyone have to get permission from anyone else to take off their jumper or blazer if they're too hot?!

mummytime · 25/04/2014 21:51

AmberTheCat - those are the school rules, if you or your children don 't want to go with them then you should look for a different school. To be honest the first phrase they learn in a foreign language is "please may I remove my blazer" and they never have to wear jumpers if they don't want, teachers just about always give permission (maybe not if the class was just about to relocate).

They are also allowed to wear non-uniform when there is heavy snow - so not this year.

But there are other schools with different uniform rules - and none are as strict as a US company I worked for which tried to dictate the colourful of underwear.

AmberTheCat · 25/04/2014 21:59

Your company tried to dictate the colour of your underwear?! I'm intrigued now! What did the company do (and what colour did they want your underwear to be?!)

I just don't understand the reason why a school would require a pupil to have to ask to remove a jumper or blazer. What's the benefit?

Doilooklikeatourist · 25/04/2014 22:08

Amberthecat
The probable reason for having to ask permission to remove jumpers is that if the jumpers are being worn , they're not lost .
Take a jumper off , leave it on the chair , in the dining hall , in the school yard , it's lost .
Are senior school jumpers name labelled ?
DD lost her school jumper ( left in hall after dance lessons ) and wasn't allowed in canteen as she didn't have her jumper on .
She didn't have a spare as I only bought 1 each as they are £22 a jumper.
That's why they have at ask permission or there will be 1600 jumpers in lost property

AmberTheCat · 25/04/2014 22:14

But my 7 and 11 year olds are quite capable of not losing their jumpers.

Picturesinthefirelight · 25/04/2014 22:15

Private secondary (but with govt funded places)

Girls can wear short sleeved open collar blouse & no tie in the summer

Jumpers optional at all times. Blazers only have to be worn in assembly or when on show (choir, prize days etc£

mummytime · 25/04/2014 22:59

It was an airline - you were supposed to wear white underwear, this despite the fact the blouses were not very opaque and they had black staff. The UK staff totally ignored it (but no bright pinks or leopard print bras).
Our blazers have to be worn between buildings, main reason to ask is so they aren't just dropped on the floor and become a hazard. They are used as pencil cases and there is no where to store coats (which is why no one wears them).

17leftfeet · 25/04/2014 23:00

amberthecat

I did try to question it, the reply I got was

'You chose to send your child here so you need to support the rules'

hellsbells99 · 26/04/2014 09:24

State comp here. Shirt and tie swapped (optional) for official school polo shirt with logo on and jumper doesn't have to be worn with polo shirt. Very glad about this as exams approaching so polo shirts will be more comfortable! As long as skirts are no shorter than 2 inches above knee then black socks (any length) can be worn instead of tights or white ankle socks.
DD1 in 6th form so no uniform - but no shorts or cropped trousers, no bare shoulders or stomachs, no sandals in science labs.

Lancelottie · 26/04/2014 09:48

if you or your children don't want to go with them then you should look for a different school.
Anyone tried to use 'the uniform is bonkers and I disagree with it' on an application appeal yet? There isn't a real choice of schools for most people.

I suppose the corollary is that if our (sensible) school rules change, I should withdraw my children?

AmberTheCat · 26/04/2014 10:32

Just reread my first post on this thread and realised how arsey it sounded - sorry. I didn't mean to have a go at anyone here, I was just surprised at how many schools seem to have what sound like very odd rules about uniform. It seems oddly infantilising to require teenagers to ask permission to take off a layer of clothing if they're hot.

mummytime · 26/04/2014 11:24

Well for my DCs school it is the most sought after and you'd have a reasonable chance of getting a place at another local school. They are also pragmatic when dealing with the students with really difficult home lives/issues rather than those just looking for something to rebel against.
Someone said that school uniform was why a lot of the most "creative" fashion designers were British.

Dreamgirls234 · 26/04/2014 11:52

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halamadrid · 27/04/2014 01:36

State secondary summer uniform: girls - summer dress like the ones worn on Neighbours and home and away! Boys - polo shirt with logo. Cardigans/jumpers and wool blazers have to be taken to school but no draconian rules about wearing them if hot.

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sassysally · 27/04/2014 10:13

I just don't understand the reason why a school would require a pupil to have to ask to remove a jumper or blazer. What's the benefit?

Dressing smartly is a sign of respect to the situation youare in eg funeral , job interview..By removing blazer etc you are casualising your dress and therefore it is deemed polite to ask if the teacher minds

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pointythings · 27/04/2014 10:54

Sally the problem is that in some schools the diktat is to say no and blazers must be worn in the hottest of weather. Most schools do not have air conditioning, so you end up with overheated sweating pupils who are too uncomfortable to concentrate on lessons properly. How does that benefit anyone? Casual and productive is far better than smart but useless. I will never understand the UK obsession with style over substance.

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sassysally · 27/04/2014 11:39

At My DCs secondary school they have to ask to take blazers off, but as far as I know permission is never refused.They have to wear them walking around the school.I think this is fine
Are you sure the school have a policy of saying no? Or is it an individual teacher on a power trip?

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JohnnyBarthes · 27/04/2014 12:28

Sweatshirts and polos all year round. They can wear shirts and ties but none do. They're trusted to regulate their own body temps and add or remove the sweatshirt as they see fit.

All the other schools have brought in blazers, which look quite nice and obviously the pockets are good, but they're mainly speshul ones that have to be ordered at great expense from outfitters.

pointythings · 27/04/2014 12:40

Many schools do have a policy of saying no. There are posters upthread whose DDs have to wear opaque black tights in all weather. This is insanity. It's mad that secondary age children aren't trusted to regulate their own body temperature to make for comfortable and effective learning - this is why they should not have to ask to take their blazers off. I can't think of very many working environments where there isn't either 1) air con, so removal of suit jackets is not needed, or 2) common sense.

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sassysally · 27/04/2014 12:47

Many schools do have a policy of saying no. There are posters upthread whose DDs have to wear opaque black tights in all weather

well that's a diffrerent thing I think to saying that a child cannot remove his/her blazer within a class room.Do schools really have the policy of saying 'no' to the latter?

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indigo18 · 28/04/2014 21:48

Our boys can remove their ties if temp rises and deputy head decrees; girls have same uniform year round- tartan skirts- but can have a short sleeved blouse. No ties worn by girls at all. Blazers can be removed in class if permission asked.
Thinking back to own schooldays, summer uniform was a gold linen (yes linen) dress, striped blazer and straw boater. nice.

teacherwith2kids · 28/04/2014 22:09

Secondary - smart uniform polo shirt (good thick quality, house coloured collar stripe) replaces summer shirt / tie for both boys and girs. Can be worn untucked (unlike normal shirt). Blazers are worn, at least to school and between classrooms, until it is very hot and then a whole school decree is given. inside classrooms, blazers may be removed anyway. Jumpersb are optional with winter shirts, but can't be worn with summer ones.

School, in general, has very clear uniform rules, but they are in the main sensible - so if you wear a tie, it must be done up smartly, but in hot weather a comfortable alternative is available.

SonorousBip · 29/04/2014 09:04

At DS's school it is the same uniform as in winter, with permission being needed to remove blazers. DS's blazer is at least woollen so he is not marinading in a soup of acrylic. Also, given that he is in Y7, it is nice and roomy so that should be cooler.

Have no idea re jumpers as the two that I bought last September are still hanging in his wardrobe, having been worn in aggregate for about 48 seconds.

I thought that the point about permission being needed to take them off was because of them all losing them. From emails going round in DS's class, it seems like most of Y7 could lose their own heads. Given everyone has lunchpasses/bus passes/mobiles etc in their blazer pockets, I suspect the school is a bit reluctant to unleash a huge blazer free for all unless it is really boiling.

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