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Is Westminster School the best school on Earth?

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statesmom · 01/02/2014 17:20

Just looking at their website and they have 97 places for their students at Oxford and Cambridge this year?!

We have an 8 year old son and want to focus on getting him into this place, just next to the Palace of Westminster. It looks amazing! Any thought on parents with children at the school very welcome indeed, especially any thoughts on the application process. Thank you for someone new to London.

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Bonkerssometimes · 05/02/2014 22:42

LOL. Near, but why do you need to talk about this at MN? You just did.

NearTheWindmill · 05/02/2014 22:45

You're right - too much gin.

Taz1212 · 05/02/2014 22:46

Clearly I approached DS' schooling all wrong. I chose two schools for him to apply to, really only meaning for him to go to the one where we have a family connection but thought we should have a back up. DS duly went along to both Open Days and agreed that my choice was a very nice school. Then he took the entrance exam at each and walked out of my non-choice saying, "I don't care if I get into X school, this is where I want to go..."

... And I said, "OK, fine." I now can't imagine him at my choice given how ecstatic he is at his chosen school. Grin You really shouldn't try to programme your children too much, statesmom

Taz1212 · 05/02/2014 22:51

No. Some of us apparently want to show off at parties.

Normal Americans don't. Normal Americans ask this as a normal ice breaker so they can find something to talk about, whether it is starting positive/not so positive Grin comment about their football/ice hockey team or asking how they liked living in DC or NYC etc or asking if they were in a frat/which one. It's just a conversation starter for the majority of us, nothing more, nothing less.

MadameDefarge · 05/02/2014 22:52

nearthewindmill, that made made laugh so much...

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Crowler · 05/02/2014 23:18

Some of us need to take it less seriously folks! Do you know, I love going to parties, and having my very ordinary self there and striking up a conversation and being asked a few questions and avoiding them as much as possible. And when pressed saying "em, yes I do know xxx, oh how, oh he's my husband, oh she's my dd's godmother, em yes, that one, em yes, I am xx's mum, em yes, he was captain of the first xv, em yes now tell me are you looking forward to a lovely holiday this summer". And sometimes at that point the head or housemaster or a cabinet minister comes along and gives me a hug and rescues me from a right little prat.

Only "when pressed". You are amazing, Windmill. :-)

saintlyjimjams · 05/02/2014 23:27

ha ha at being asked at parties. I'm never asked at parties; I feel aggrieved (and I went to a university statesmom would approve of, although from one of those dreadful state schools - full of dunces obviously).

Blackwattle - you're not Prince Harry's girlfriend's employer are you? I was reading in the Daily Mail only this week that she works for an educational consultant. statesmom will be paying double for all your services if so....

maillotjaune · 05/02/2014 23:28

Statesmom no one can give you a school to beat Westminster while you insist that Oxbridge entrance is the only measure of 'best'.

My average comp got me to the point where I stood a chance of going to O or C BUT they were far from being the best for my (very competitive) course of choice so I chose to go elsewhere. By the way the one person in my year to go to Oxbridge did end up teaching in an Ivy League school despite starting in an average comp.

Xpatmama88 · 06/02/2014 00:03

Statesmom, a word of advice, if you are really want your DC to have a chance of getting into Westminster, if he is 8 now, you have about 2 years or so to prepare him for pre-test at year 6, assume you have already registered with the school
Here are the check list:
How many languages he can speak or learning (ideally 2 on top of English, and Latin is a must)
What level of Maths he is in (ideally level 6 by year 6 to stand a chance)
How many musical instruments he plays and at what level (2 or more is better and I think by 13 minimum Grade 5 standard)
How good is his verbal and non verbal reasoning? ( that is part of the pre-test for 11, on top of English and Maths, he has to score high before selection for interview)
Competition is fierce, so good luck.
And please also have a Plan B to avoid disappointment!

Crowler · 06/02/2014 07:29

Normal Americans ask this as a normal ice breaker so they can find something to talk about, whether it is starting positive/not so positive grin comment about their football/ice hockey team or asking how they liked living in DC or NYC etc or asking if they were in a frat/which one. It's just a conversation starter for the majority of us, nothing more, nothing less.

Agreed, I think it's a pretty normal mid-20's question to ask in the US. I lived in Chicago as a 20-something and at that time there were bars dedicated to certain universities, had specific football games playing on Saturday. There's a genuine alumni camaraderie that principally revolves around sports as far as I can tell.

Obviously wherever you go there will be people who drop the question more cynically, but not everyone.

TamerB · 06/02/2014 07:29

People tend to see the 'getting in' as the success story and the end.
The problem is that is actually the start and they have to manage in that environment.

wordfactory · 06/02/2014 07:57

Just to confirm what others here have said: americans (and indeed those educated internationally) often ask where you went to school/uni. Its just out of interest.

Bonsoir · 06/02/2014 08:26

The British often try to find out where you went to school too. I am used to my answer to the question drawing a total blank and look of confusion on people's faces!

Slipshodsibyl · 06/02/2014 08:48

the op doesn't get that there is a strong meritocratic element in the UK

We can argue the failure of the American Dream but are you truly suggesting that the UK has a stronger belief in meritocracy than the US?

*Some of us need to take it less seriously folks! Do you know, I love going to parties, and having my very ordinary self there and striking up a conversation and being asked a few questions and avoiding them as much as possible. And when pressed saying "em, yes I do know xxx, oh how, oh he's my husband, oh she's my dd's godmother, em yes, that one, em yes, I am xx's mum, em yes, he was captain of the first xv, em yes now tell me are you looking forward to a lovely holiday this summer". And sometimes at that point the head or housemaster or a cabinet minister comes along and gives me a hug and rescues me from a right little prat.

FGS not all of us need to talk about it at parties*

The lack of self awareness on this thread is quite amazing. How is the post quoted above doing anything other than the exact opposite of what the poster purports to do?

Bonsoir · 06/02/2014 08:50

Slipshodsybil - Grin

wordfactory · 06/02/2014 08:57

I'm always astonished that people seem to believe the UK is a merit based placed.

Our social mobility is shocking.

And so many collude in this by their caste iron belief that their DC are different...odd.

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iwanttohideunderarock · 06/02/2014 09:36

so, this should shake things up a bit ! Wink

this was the Thought for the Day yesterday on Radio 4. Ignore the religious bit if you don't believe, but there is a lot of food for thought.....

Good Morning,

‘I only want what’s best for my children.’
It’s a common enough sentiment. Most parents have thought it if not said it. Sometimes we bolster the phrase with sacrificial grist: ‘I want my children to have what I never had.’ This might mean a decent education, a secure home, a holiday in the South of France; whatever it is, our children will have it because we didn’t. And we will do everything to make sure they have it. Whatever it costs.

Wanting the best for our children seems, on the surface, a perfectly natural and noble aspiration. It’s something we hear in the news all the time. And it carries a righteous weight. When Jesus asked ‘what parent would give their child a stone when they had asked for bread?’ he seemed to be underscoring the fact. What parent wouldn’t want their child to have a decent school to go to, clothes that fit, a healthy diet, a home to live in? But whilst it’s normal to want these things he also points out that even the corrupt know how to give their children good gifts. It’s easy to prefer your own.

But what if what’s best for our children is bad for our neighbour’s children? Where’s the moral good in that? I might prefer to ignore this awkward thought, but it manages to insinuate itself in a variety of prosaic ways: particularly in the matter of schooling which, with it’s scrapping for places, seems to focus self-preferential tendencies more than almost any other area of parental life. But it goes beyond education. It extends to housing, to jobs, to community. And it forces us to ask another question: when we want the best for our children what do we mean by ‘the best?’

When asked for guidance about the best way to live this life, Jesus compressed the commandments into an easily learned line about loving God and then our neighbours as ourselves. If the first part is a stretch for someone without faith the latter is at least an ideal people can imagine if not always accomplish. Did he really call us to love our neighbours’ kids as much as our own? It might seem completely subversive, but it would be interesting to see what that might do for society.

It’s ironic that children – these naturally free, funny, generous rufflers of our best laid plans – have the capacity to turn us into such over-protective reactionaries. If anything they seem, certainly at first, free of this striving insistence on having the best of everything; it’s we, the adults, who lay that burden on them. It’s as if we start knowing some simple truths only to forget them later. As it says in Matthew: ‘you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.’

When it comes to wanting the best for our kids let’s not limit that aspiration to our own kin

Dromedary · 06/02/2014 09:42

I don't think there's anything admirable about saying you've been to a top public school. All it would mean to me would be that you come from a very wealthy (and prob snobby - sorry) family, and would prob prefer to mix with others from that kind of background.

I don't think that having a lot of money is anything to boast about particularly. It may or may not be that your parents (not you) have worked hard (may be inherited), but lots of not wealthy people work hard too, and the more altruistic jobs tend to be low earning. People who go out of their way to display their wealth (eg by driving giant SUVs with personalised number plates) are particularly unworthy of admiration.

wordfactory · 06/02/2014 09:45

baby as someone who works at Oxbridge, I'd say the reason why W only get 50% in is that for every applicant no matter where they went to school, no matter how bright they are, it's a bit of a lottery.

There are just too many bright able well educated applicants for every place at Oxbridge.

No one should ever have their heart set on it. No one should ever worry about going elsewhere. It's a numbers game.

Also, tbh, not every pupil at W wants to go. As much as I like my work, I can see that the environment at Oxbridge is very intense, sometimes quite odd Grin.

Crowler · 06/02/2014 09:46

While I disagree that having gone to a top university means that you're a snob, I agree wholeheartedly that peddling this information to the public is really unpleasant.

Dromedary · 06/02/2014 10:07

The snobby comment was directed at families who send their children to top public schools. University is different, as it is more of a level playing field (though less so than it used to be). The majority of students at Oxbridge have been through state school (though some colleges are far more public school orientated than others).
I remember a young man I met at post grad college. He had been to Christ's Hospital and then St John's Oxford. After all those years of being surrounded by beauty and served at table, he found it very difficult to have to eat in an ordinary canteen. He had really never experienced life in the "real world" (and the post grad college was a very protected environment TBH). He then went on to the kind of company that likes to recruit men with that background - basically living his life in a privileged bubble. Being largely surrounded by men hadn't done him any favours either (the school was boys only at that time) - he thought that rape should be legal, for instance.

Amrapaali · 06/02/2014 10:19

Do you work at one of the colleges in Oxford, word?

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