Anyone getting Pupil Premium for their kids? How does their school administer it?

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Oh, yes, I meant to add that about all ranks of personnel.

There are plenty of dc whose Dads (they are all Dads) are the same rank as this friend and who are day pupils at school. Obviously they're playing fair!

Talkinpeace. For someone to be 'bumped up' enough for their pension to equal their final salary they would have to jump about 5 ranks! Impossible and complete bollocks. For example, a Lt Col at the highest level of pay will get around £78k a year. His MAXimum pension would be £37K. What you are saying is Absolutely impossible.

I don't believe that anyone, ever got £4600 per term CEA.

One of the rules for eligibility of CEA is that the spouse goes with the serviceperson, unless that one particular post is unaccompanied only (ie OP tour). The 'perk' is so that your children aren't disadvantaged as well as the spouse.

I am droping off the other thread i have been told to FUCK OFF/SHOULD BE SENT ON A TOUR OF DUTY. Just for asking if armed forces officers could possibly look in to state boarding or other state schools.
The people on here really are in a very small band of people and in their own self intrest.

LtEve
You are army. I am talking about navy. The rules have never been applied the same. Sad, unfair, but true.
Soul
Grow Rhino skin - it makes life more amusing

Hmmmm!

I'm not sure why the OP started this thread, but it could have been quite interesting.

Money should never be a bar to a child achieving its personal best, which is why the pupil premium was introduced. It is supposed to target more precisely deprived children rather than the previous methods of block grants. I must admit I have reservations about how it's operating, but the thread seems to have degenerated into a slanging match about the armed sevices. Shame!

Op started the thread with the assumption that they would have control over its use

many (most) of us had assumed that the the PP was limited to those without financial resources - ie eligible for FSM

the fact that forces families get it even if they earn a lot more seems incredibly unfair

buy hey!
this government were never big on fair so none of us are to blame
except for those who voted for them (whoops the eejits on the other side were not much of an option)

I guess it comes down to
do the best you can and cross your fingers

you see I have heard it IS for each kid - not a group. That is what caused the major panic after a local school was challenged on it

( can see thread has moved on somewhat!)

i started the thread to see how other schools actually do the day to day management of it!
no great subterfuge!

Talkin - CEA (Formally BSA) is a Joint Allowance. The rules have always been the same for all.

Pay scales are rated on NATO ranks, not Army/Navy/RAF. So again, the rules are the same for all.

Trade rates can differ, but they differ in single service trades as well.

Most of what you have said tonight is bollocks, and 'provable' bollocks at that, why are you doing this?

I admit I got confused earlier when you were talking about your brother/some bloke you knew/some RN bod you hate whoever it is that you seem to know such an inordinate amount about (have you ever thought about MI6, your skills would be put to good use there?) but everything else is just bizarre and makes you sound, umm, angry? Are you quite OK?

Now I'm confused!! Have you changed your username Alaska?

I was in communication with my ds's school for a number of weeks over the PP. At the time, it didn't have a policy published online and it has a 50% gap between the achievement (A*-C) of the average and those on PP. I delved into the financial records and discovered that the money was disappearing into a big pot, along with money to replace EMA for Sixth Formers. The school started to panic when Wilshaw threatened to remove the "Outstanding" rating from schools with a big achievement gap.

I still feel slightly ambivalent about PP and I think there's a lot of misunderstanding. The school is awarded the money on the basis of the number of eligible pupils, but it does not have to spend the money on those individual pupils. As somebody mentioned previously, the tracking is all-important. I believe the question should be whether an individual pupil's achievement is being affected by lack of money (the services children are slightly different). If, for example, pupils are expected to work on computers at home and a significant number of pupils don't have computers at home (or even a quiet place to do homework), the school could legitimately pay for somebody to run a homework club. The club wouldn't be restricted to those on PP, but most pupils, given the choice, would probably prefer to do their homework at home.

Ofsted and others have published loads of advice on the use of the PP, including one document (which I can't find at the moment) about the impact and cost effectiveness of various interventions. If I can find the link, I'll post it. I remember that one-to-one tuition was considered to be very effective, but also very expensive.

I must admit that I find it ironic that a government, which supposedly dislikes the "Big Brother" attitude of Labour, takes away money from parents' benefits and gives it to schools to decide how it's spent.

By the way, could somebody explain calopene's definition of "entitled"? Is it some kind of insult?

The Services Premium and Pupil Premium are different amounts, though, TiP...Services Child attracts £300 and Pupil Premium (Ever6 children) is £900. Quite a difference.

Pp in our local infant school (high forces area) is used o provide a nurture room for any child that needs it

That includes forces children, Any child receiving FSM and would have included my son who is neither forces or on FSM

Its probably used on other more child intensive things but the nurture room is the one I know about

Talkinpeace. I used to be told to "FUCK OFF" or "IM COMING BACK WITH A SHOOTER" 4 times a night so being told to fuck off on mumsnet is not going to worry me. HA HA HA.

Exactly, Rufus! Schools near barracks are likely to have a number of children who are unsettled by constant moving about. Some of them will have problems with settling into a new school and making friends, which sometimes leads to behaviour issues. A nurture room would be a way of providing them with a bit of extra support. It's not about handing out £300 of freebies to forces children.

Lt Eve is correct. Rules apply equally tri-Service. I'm RAF.

You presume every service person is rolling in it. My partner came back from Afghan suffering from PTSD, alcohol abuse followed and the break down of the family followed that. My children receive counselling funded by PP. Because I receive working tax credits I am not entitled to free meals or any other benefits despite only having a house hold income of less than £10,000. You presume all circumstances are the same, well they are not.

my sons primary school receives pupil premium for both my sons and they issue a breakdown every year of how the funds have been spent - there are approx. 12 pupils eligible for it. they've improved tech at the school and sports facilities and they pay for several support teachers, one of which my eldest son benefits from, but I am interested to know how I can get help specifically for my sons! my eldest son had to stop his piano lessons at school as I couldn't afford to keep up the payments- he was really upset by this! the lessons are provided by an external company, as are the sports lessons and academic clubs, so the school offered to ask them if I could get half price lessons but id have to pay my half up front (I cant afford this twice over!) I have heard of people getting uniform vouchers, extra-curricular activities and after school clubs funded and exemption from school trip costs, even tablets for homework help! is this help standard across the country or is it dependent on your school? I know many government schemes are not advertised but can offer assistance so long as you know who to ask and what for!

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