Anyone getting Pupil Premium for their kids? How does their school administer it?

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You night have to account for each kid. If you don't teach every pp kid your SLT are going to have a tough time explaining why they don't get their share of the pot.

(This is what happened locally - they were slated by OFSTED)

Sorry but I am stunned, and slightly appalled, that parents at your school get a checklist to choose from

Your school should, IMO, know where the need lies and evaluate where the money should be used.

No single parent can understand the overall requirements and evaluate how best to serve students who are actually, not by socio-demographic pp classification, disadvantaged

I get that eve. Just not relevant for officers families who haven't moved in 5 years. Imo

Maybe not screwfox, but none of us knows what is around the corner - a short deployment, like when Libya kicked off, meant officers deploying with less than 2 weeks notice. Although I'd be surprised at any forces personnel not moving for 5 years - it would be dire for their career. Families can stay whilst the service person moves though.

No. You've misunderstood. There's not a list but will be range of choices presented that match the needs (ie self esteem ,revision skills etc)

We just had Ofsted who praised our use of PP- and there is certainly no parental involvement in how it is spent. We might use it for individual trips, books etc (although Activities for All pays for that too) but much is spent on staffing HLTAs for Maths and English, behaviour support workers, one to one tuition. There is nothing wrong with using it to the benefit of all as long as PP students are included.

(I think you're doing parents a disservice. I'd like to suggest how it were spent if my kid got it (

Still wrong sometimes those with most need are the least likely to speak up

This should be SLT decision

You're generalising.

Oh and I am SLT and didn't get slated even though every PP kid doesn't get one to one tuition! But they do all get access to the personalised learning that is right for them.

You are judging every parent by your own abilities, involvement and confidence

It is schools remit to try to level out playing field

we have extremely high pupil premium percentage and almost as high FSM

And it isn't for one particular child. It is funding that the school attracts because they are educating that child. It is not ringfenced in anyway.

We employ another teacher to support a class which has several children who need a lot of help esp with maths and literacy. The majority of those children receive pp. Also pays for music lessons for 2 children and subsidises some trips /educational activities. Ofsted were very happy with how we used it.

Screwfox
"Yes. But don't think they can claim poverty."
No they can't but they can claim to be moved from post to post and miss out on vital lessons and may need extra help/lessons to keep up with their peers.

Sorry, just seen that LtEve has discussed the point.

If Winchester College got PP for my brother's son while his DD was at Downe (? getting pp )and they cynically timed their postings to get kid free weekends in London while he was in Whitehall / Northholt even though she had a well paid non forces job
it will UTTERLY discredit the MOD perks even further than they were already.
FFS
nobody in the forces earns below £17,500 a year
so nobody in the forces should get PP
its bad enough the subsidised (£15,000 of taxpayers money) towards Whitehall officers putting their kids through schools the rest of us cannot afford (but are paying for)
but adding PP is taking the piss

This boarding school perk is for senior officers in the armed forces. I cant imagine that there are many private's or sergeants with DDs at Downe House or DSs at Winchester College. This needs to be modifield to realistic levels. Senior officers earn good money probably their earnings would put them in the top 10 to 15% of earners in the country anyway. I bet half the officers joined just for that perk, its like having another 40-50k a year on top of their salary. To think that Winchester might be getting Pupil premium makes my blood boil when there are so many schools unable to pay for specialist teachers.

LtEve
Could you explain to me what impact the Libya campaign had on children at Wellington, Kings Gutesloh, Queen Anne's Caversham ,
during that term - no financial change, no locational change, no change at all : therefore PP would never ever be applicable
surely

Erm, I don't think independent schools receive PP, do they? The funding comes via the Local Authority for maintained schools and directly from gov for academies. FSM and PP are nothing to do with Wellington etc.

media.education.gov.uk/assets/files/pdf/p/pupil%20premium%20faqs.pdf

Private special schools certainly get it ... why would a private school taking a bursary kid not get it?

I have no problem with that
but
if the MOD have "special" rules for their over priviledged brats I become incandescent PDQ

• too many gold braid get the state to put their kids through posh schools even though their wives have jobs and settled homes
• they get free train tickets (first class) for them and their wives and kids for the duration of their service
• they get subsidised flats in London that DO NOT count as addresses for allocation of (subsidised) boarding schools

but they cannot keep the Harriers flying ...

Just to correct a few points....

1. Boarding school allowance is not only for officers. Anyone who fulfills the mobility criteria in the armed forces is entitled to it. It is now known as continuity of education allowance as that is what it is for. And if you know someone who you believe is fraudulently claiming please report them.

1. No children of armed forces personnel to not get pupil premium at boarding school. The reason they are entitled to it is because they move so often and as a pp mentioned this can mean they miss vital bits of education. If they are at boarding school they do have constant changes which can affect their education.

1. Pupil premium is there to help children who are disadvantaged, not necessarily always economically and I believe it is part of the military covenant. Moving constantly and sometimes having parents on active service can mean that schools can help with counselling etc.

going
I did report, but the response was that the posting was ending soon - not that the previous two years x 2 kids at £14500 a year was out of order : but then the person I spoke to, I've found out, had their kids in the scheme so had NO impetus to limit it.

The principle is right - the implementation is wrong

talkinpeace if you have a close relation in the Forces I would have thought you would have been better informed.

• as forces families we are entitled to forces rail cards which we pay I believe £20 for now.
• no families are not entitled to first clas rail travel as the norm.
• the gold braid as you so delightfully call them are maybe entitled to continuity of education allowance but they do not get a higher allowance than say a corporal or a warrant officer but they choose to top up the allowance to pay for Downe or Winchester.
• postings to London did merit flats but the ruling has changed now and this does affect mobility and therefore ability to be entitled to CEA.
• over privileged brats.... Thank you for your description of my DCs and other mumsnet DCs. No comment is really needed other than the normal mumsnet retort of.. ' did you mean to be so rude?'

The anonymous fraud helpline is 0800 161 3665. I am not sure who you spoke to but when I have spoken to them they merely take the information and you are given no feedback whatsoever.

More details here.

media.education.gov.uk/assets/files/pdf/p/2013-14%20pupil%20premium%20q%20and%20a.pdf

For PP, it only mentions 'maintained schools and academies in England' and 'disadvantaged pupils in non-mainstream settings who are publicly funded'.

This is what the DfE says about Service Premium: 'Both the Ministry of Defence (MOD) and the Department for Education remain committed to ensure a duty of care towards Service children in maintained education...' I can't see anywhere where it extends to private schools.

I agree wholeheartedly with you about the subsidies for boarding school for officers' children (some kids were boarding at ds's school despite living 2 miles away and their parents being at local bases!!!) although I think that wheeze has ended now and they do have to be posted away (with spouses accompanying them), don't they? But, still.