Silly things teachers think will work

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One of the teachers at my child's school (he is in sixth form) thinks giving out yellow cards and red cards for 'bad' behaviour in class will somehow motivate 17 year olds.

At my 14 year old's school (a different school) he was asked to write a letter to Father Christmas during an English lesson. The teacher was dead serious. REALLY?

I pressume that nether of these teachers have children of their own, but should surely have been taught at uni that these things were completely age inappropriate.

And any teacher at any time could let it drop. But you know - it's always the parent's fault.

You are the only one to do so.

It doesn't seem to have done much good.

But you everyone is just playing twister trying to avoid agreeing with the parent.

Everyone?

'at any time any teacher on this thread could have said yes - that looks like what you say it looks like'

But it didn't - it looked like a careless or deliberate misquote, & was significantly different to what the quoted poster had actually argued, in responding specifically to the two techniques described in the OP.

I think you do understand this perfectly well & your subsequent posts are deliberately obfuscatory, tbh.

Not you, most of the teachers. "It doesn't seem to have done much good."
You seem very nice and normal by the way. The fact that you stressed on about "intended" is interesting. I still think it's irrelevant. But I think it's interesting because it shows how differently teachers see things - you saw an intention in the statement which is - let's face it - directly contradictory to the words in the statement. Perhaps all the teachers see it. In which case it's very important to realise that you can't go round implying "what do they know, they're not teachers" and expect consequently to glory in parents' trust, because some teachers don't seem to realise that without being told.

Brycie, even if ET does think that parents can't have useful input on behaviour management techniques or teaching methods (which she probably doesn't, in terms of their individual child at least, although I wouldn't want to speak for her) this is still not the same as saying that parents know nothing and shouldn't be listened to at all. It's still not even close.

"it looked like a careless or deliberate misquote, & was significantly different to what the quoted poster had actually argued, in responding specifically to the two techniques described in the OP."

RAven - it is NOT my fault if you haven't read my posts. Argue with a lampost if you're going to do that.

You think saying "Parents have no useful input (or "any idea") in terms of behaviour management or teaching methods, the two biggest and most important parts of my job"

is not close to saying "parents know nothing and shouldn't be listened to"

errrrrr

Really? so parents might know about, say - staffroom layout, or the summer fete, or Nativity costumes, and could listened to or have useful input about those?

But I have read them.

The lamppost might be equally impervious, but would probably have sturdier foundations.

Parents might know something about, say, their own child. That's some pretty useful input right there. That's mainly what I consult parents on. I don't usually phone them up and ask them how I should manage set Z, or approach quadratic equations.

The school consults parents on other stuff, but that's above my pay scale.

Sadly, raven, you haven't. Do you remember when I quoted my own post (I need a life) copying and pasting Evil word for word? And do you remember how I said I'd done that more than once? And do you remember saying that as I was having a conversation with the same people about the same thing there was no reason to believe they might have the memories of goldfish and forget what had been posted a short time before? It wasn't that long ago. So do stop with the misquoting accusation. And now you've read the actual quotes (which you missed when you didn't read the post before) you can agree with me - any time you like - that they seem to say parents have no idea about what goes on in the classroom because they aren't teachers.

Brycie, at 01:04, you are now comparing with .

You're a fortnight late - or you could've dressed that straw man up nicely & given him a great fiery send off...

Look, it's become plain that whatever teachers say - something different is meant. So there's not much point in carrying on.

RavenAK: for most of this evening - you haven't read my posts. I think that's helped to build up your own straw man quite nicely. Cripes - we wouldn't want what happened to get in the way of something imaginary you imagine to have happened would we?

Brycie, I've seen all the posts on this thread. I haven't missed any of them, & I haven't missed your paraphrases & inaccuracies.

I came to it fresh from marking 30 year 11 books & writing 'Quote ACCURATELY!' on most of them; it's important when building a credible argument.

Anyway - it doesn't matter - you agree with the teachers. One used to say to me - if they jumped off a cliff would you follow? I feel like repeating it here.

So there we are raven - you'll have see the posts where I copied and pasted evil completely. So stop trying to imply I'm misleading or lying in some way, if you don't mind.

Do you know I think there are teachers who literally would jump off a cliff to follow a colleague - if a parent was standing by and called out to them not to do it.

Raven: I have to say the way which you've tried to imply I'm lying or misleading is pretty low. That's really how low you'd stoop rather than saying "yes, Evil's posts do give that impression".

Not so accurate yourself love.

Well, if I'm not accurate, Brycie, feel free to point out where, & I'll gladly apologise, because I do think (& teach) that it's important to represent a different point of view clearly & accurately, to the best of your ability, in order to refute it honestly.

If you don't, it completely undermines any point you may have originally had.

By accusing me of misquoting and not admitting that I've quoted accurately. HTH.

They should be there because they want to learn.

LMAO

Of course they should but if mum / dad / family are on benefits the family lose about £60 a week in tax credits and income support if they leave full time education.

On top of that they will get £15 - £20 bursary a week.

You would be suprised what does work with some grpoups. Yellow and red cards means you don't get into arguments about, 'but so and so did X and they didn't get punished'.

Um...OK.

Look, quotation means 'exactly what the other person said, in their own words, with no editing or cutting which changes the meaning'.

It is conventional to use quotation marks to show quotation, & not to use them for one's own paraphrase of someone else's words.

Have a look back over your posts.

I'm off to bed (with poo stickers written on the back of my hand - should amuse my tutor group...)

I don't think it's fair or right to generalise. For some reason teachers always seem to get lumped together on threads like this. As in every profession there are good, bad and indifferent teachers.
In my experience as a parent, with the exception of 2 teachers, all I've seen are professionals whose main aim is for the students they teach to be the best they can be.

At a recent parents' night I asked 1 teacher how best we could support and assist dd in a subject she finds difficult, only to be told to google!!

Another teacher didn't have to be asked. She was actively saying to dd that she knew what dd's weakness was, and for dd to please come to a study support group she runs so they could work through it.

Guess which teacher dd WANTS to work hard for ??

Raven you're just trying to imply I'm deliberately misquoting in order to mislead. I suppose it's helping you to avoid what Evil said - and how it looked like exactly what I said it looked like. However we both know I quoted directly twice, maybe three times. It doesn't matter how often you say I didn't, because unless you've got a big delete button it's there and always will be fr us all to see.

What a pathetic waste of your time and mine. All to avoid agreeing with a parent and disagreeing with a teacher.

"For some reason teachers always seem to get lumped together on threads like this"

teachers lump themselves together on threads like this and you can't get an after eight mint between them

but apart from that - you're right