Silly things teachers think will work

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One of the teachers at my child's school (he is in sixth form) thinks giving out yellow cards and red cards for 'bad' behaviour in class will somehow motivate 17 year olds.

At my 14 year old's school (a different school) he was asked to write a letter to Father Christmas during an English lesson. The teacher was dead serious. REALLY?

I pressume that nether of these teachers have children of their own, but should surely have been taught at uni that these things were completely age inappropriate.

Actually I quoted her directly a number of times - after that I paraphrased or shortened as I was having the same conversation with the same people, I assumed that being teachers they wouldn't have the memories of goldfish and it's quite a faff to go back and copy and paste every time. It's not my fault if you joined in and commented on what I was saying without reading it. I quoted it directly enough times and you could have gone back to see what ~Evil said.

So if you now want to say - you know what those statements don't give the impression of "I like listening to parents, they have a lot to offer" - you can. But you won't - because you don't want to agree with a parent.

Sunscorch I would like a poo sticker. With regard to the rest of your post - I'd just like to say - YOU'D THINK.

Yeah, actually...sod arguing with ill-informed teacher bashers. Bored with that now.

Where do we get the shiny poo stickers?

So if you now want to say - you know what those statements don't give the impression of "I like listening to parents, they have a lot to offer" - you can.

I'll say that, because the original statements weren't intended to give that impression.
Just like they weren't intended to give the impression that parents never have anything constructive to add to a conversation about teaching.

So I'll agree with you on this statement, even though you're presenting it as a false dichotomy.

Noble, well, I like you but as our exchange went along the lines of

me: it's damaging to say "you know nothing because you're only a parent so I don't have to listen to you at all"

you: No one has said this, or anything close to this.

ET : "The OP is not a teacher, and therefore has no idea whether such things are "silly" or whether they "will work".

You might now want to acknowledge that this comment is indeed "close to this".

Are they actually Shiny Pooh stickers?

Google isn't finding any shiny poo stickers, which is a shame. I was thinking of using them for work so unmarkably appalling it merits a Can't Polish A Turd comment.

Bored - of being wrong Raven?

Sunscorch of course they gave the impression of "not a teacher, what do they know"

Bizarre to think otherwise. ntention or no intention. But thanks for the poo sticker.

Are they actually Shiny Pooh stickers?

Nope, little turds :)
I'd post a photo, but they're all in my desk at school.

Sunscorch of course they gave the impression of "not a teacher, what do they know"

See "intended".

Actually you know what it's not really about this or that statement or the other, for me it became about how teachers just always agree with each other and always disagree with the parent, every time, and twist things and misinterpret things - just to agree with each other and disagree with the parent. Sunscorch, thanks for not being like that.

Ah, I see the confusion Brycie! You are ignoring the words 'such things' - ie. the specific techniques the OP rubbished.

& having once ignored them, or failed to understand them, or whatever, you proceeded to paraphrase accordingly in later posts.

So no, nowhere close to "you know nothing because you're only a parent so I don't have to listen to you at all".

Anyway, has anyone found these poo stickers?

The intended doesn't matter, it's irrelevant.

Afterwards ET said actually I don't think that, I think something else, and I said Great that's terrific. Which led to a whole lot of "well I never even said it in the first place blah boring blah" and I'm sure she doesn't actually think it, and who the hell cares about a stupid thread anyway. It's just the teachers agreeing for the sake of it. Why do it.

No Brycie, because it isn't close to this. Having no idea about about 'such things' is not the same as 'knowing nothing', and dismissing someone's opinion about the teaching methods in the OP is not the same as saying 'don't have to listen to you at all'

What ET said was very specific, you are trying to make it sound like she never listens to parents at all about anything. They are two very different things, and ET has already clarified that that is not what she meant when she said it. You really need to accept that and move on.

"such things" meaning "behaviour management techniques" and "teaching methods"?

So it's fair to assume that ET thinks parents have nothing useful to offer on these two subjects?

I found these when I dared to google. But some of the poos look like they're having sex, which might be inappropriate at KS3.

The "such things"referred to were a behaviour management technique and a teaching method. Both pretty big parts of your job. Unless you are really going to try to convince me that she was specifically talking about red cards and letters to Father Christmas. The use of the term "such things" means - you'd think - red cards and other such things ie other behaviour management techniques - and letters to father chrsitmas and other such things ie other teaching methods.

What else does "such things" mean?

The intended doesn't matter, it's irrelevant.

Well, I'm afraid I'll have to disagree there. If I reacted to everything that happened in my life without considering what people had intended, I daresay I'd have far fewer friends than I do.

Hmm, failbold.

No, the 'such things' referred to were giving out red and yellow cards and a letter to Father Christmas. The things that were referred to in the OP as being silly and unlikely to work.

These are very similar to the stickers I have, though not quite the same _
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Huh, faillink too. Bad times.
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I am too tired for this, and DH has just reminded me that I am fertile and therefore we need to have sex. He may not be a teacher but I am willing to listen to him, so I bid you all goodnight.

This is dancing on a pinhead brycie, something you seem to enjoy doing. ET has clarified what she has meant , and I am not sure why you can't just let it drop.

One could be forgiven for thinking that your sole purpose on here is to wind people up.

...& I'm a parent, & have disagreed with my dc's teachers on more than one occasion, about specifics where I might be expected to know my own child better than they do.

This is different from pronouncing generally on their practice at primary level - I might well think something is an odd or unusual idea, but I wouldn't presume to dismiss it as worthless unless I'd asked them about the rationale behind it.

This is the point - it's absolutely fine to question your child's teachers - bring it on, I'd love there to be more of it tbh - just don't expect us to be particularly impressed when someone rubbishes what is going on in a classroom without first asking why.

So ET was referring specifically to that behaviour management technique and that specific teaching method, while at the same time believing the parent could have useful input on all other behaviour management techniques and all other teaching methods?

Why would someone think that a parent knew nothing about one particular behaviour management technique but could still know a lot about all other behaviour management techniques? And the same for teaching methods?

Yes, the intended is irrelevant because at any time any teacher on this thread could have said yes - that looks like what you say it looks like. You are the only one to do so.

The dancing on a pinhead is what the teachers here are doing, and have been doing, all night, in order to avoid saying - yes, it does look like ET is saying that. ET did you really mean that?

But you everyone is just playing twister trying to avoid agreeing with the parent.