Is everybody happy with their choice of a NON-selective secondary education over a selective one?

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Genuine question.

Yes, I think 'in ya face' based on someone else's memory was particularly childish and unpleasant.

TOSN - You are comparing apples to oranges. seeking isn't bitching about a particular school. She is bitching about a system that she tried to get her DS into.

She didn't seem to mind it being selective and non-inclusive when she thought her DS was going to be one of those selected.

Ffs I actually think there is something wrong with you PT. Your posts are unbearable offensive.

Now, I really am going.

bullying? oh please!!!

seeker is a big girl who spends hours and hours here on MN. She is not some delicate flower chased away by the bad guys.

And as I say, I said nowt for nine pages...but you shouldn't say one thing on one thread to back up your argument there, and then deny it on another...or is it just me who thinks that?

Pooshtun Would she be singing this song if her DS had got into GS?

Yes she would, she was singing it loud and clear last year, when her DS was considered a dead cert.

To be fair to Seeker, her attitude to the selective system has been consistent since long before her DS sat the 11+. So it's unfair to accuse her of adopting this position as a result of her DS not getting into the GS.

What I don't understand is why, if the High School is a perfectly good school at which Seeker is confident her DS will do well, she put him in for the 11+ in the first place. And then appealed when he didn't reach the qualifying score.

And Theoriginal, to take your analogy, I think it's unlikely that someone would apply for a job in an industry that they were opposed to in principle. Especially if they had a good offer from a company in an industry they did support...

seeker has always consistently stated her opposition to the grammar system and independent education.

marni that was my point really. She pretty much called me a liar when I said she didn't think it a good school and suggested I trawl her history!!! It's all completely bonkers to me .

TOSN - Actually wordfactory merely reminded me of what seeker posted in a thread in which I was actually present.

And yes, it was childish of me but it was kind of appropriate. I mean, all morning seeker had been accusing me of misrepresenting what she said. Then wordfactory came along and went - errm.. actually you did previously say your son was made to feel a failure.

It was a case of BAMM!

'In ya face' just seemed appropriate :o

Well quite.
She was adamant that she had not said anyhtig about other parnets commenting. Accused poosh of misleading and I thought, hang on a minute, I remember that statement too.

I said it very politely. Hardly rude of bullying.

seeker could easily have said 'oh sorry, my mistake' but instead sarcastically says I must hang on her every word. So I just say why it stuck in my mind!
She then calls me a liar!

And I'm the bully!

Sorry but in casa wordfactory we don't just smile and nod to BS.

So you're glad that Seeker previously said her son was made to feel a failure PooshTun

There is an AIBU section you know if you want to score points and be confrontational.

Glad? Why on earth would I be glad?

It sounds absolutely bloody awful where seeker lives. This divided community. DC made to feel bad. Parents commiserating over those who've failed. Words like goats and sheep. That's why I remembered the comment. I thought, why the fuck would anyone put up with this who didn't have to?

Sorry I htought you were asking me web

It was Pooshtun's

" It was a case of BAMM!

'In ya face' just seemed appropriate"

that I was referring too

I am really sick of this hounding and harrassment of Seeker.

It is making threads unreadable. Sometimes I agree with Seeker, sometimes I don't but I am always clear what her pov is - she explains it well and it's consistent. I understand her pov on the grammar system in general and exactly how it has impacted on her family in particular, and find them neither hypocritical nor an attack on anyone else.

Is it because she is clear about her views on grammars, private schools and other forms of selection? Is it sour grapes, defensiveness or lack of conviction in your own positions that precipitate these constant attempts to hold Seeker to account for her views over years of posts?

It's bloody tedious. And now you will tell me how it is all Seeker's fault because of something you paraphrase her as saying 6 months ago...blah blah blah.

Discuss what's on the THREAD. Pay the OP the courtesy of that.

Quite blu.

Hounding?

I answered the OP way up thread, then didn't comment for nine pages. I simply put right somehting I thought was wrong. If you see that as hounding then you need to get some perspective. And sorry that you're so very pissed off...but that's just how the cookie crumbles sometimes no?

My perspective covers more than one poster, Wordfactory.

And I have been pissed off by the tendency for threads to go this way for several months.

Well I can't comment on the motives of others Blu.

But I will comment on threads as I say fit. What with this being a public forum and all...

But the forum is a place for discussion isn't it? Seeker holds strong views and isn't afraid to express them-which is fine. But there are bound to be people who disagree with her, or challenge her position. That's the nature of debate. Are you saying that no-one is allowed to disagree with her? And if they do they are 'hounding' her?

Her position is an unusual one in that I think many people who felt as strongly as she evidently does about a system would move away from it.

She's not afraid to challenge other people on their choices (quite rightly), so why can't people challenge her on her's?

an atheist amen to that, blu.

Very good post Marni23.

WF - As will I.

Seeker can speak for herself, but my opnion, as a user of Mn, is that I see constant challenges to Seeker de-railing debate.

These are ideas, opinions and facts being discussed. No need to conduct threads by hunting out people's perceived values and crying 'hypocrisy' etc - which is after all, a personal attack.

webwiz - does that convoluted logic actually make sense to you when you roll it around in your head?

Seeker accused me of misrepresenting what she said. wordfactory has kindly refuted her claim that she never said what I said she said. I am 'happy' that the record has been set straight.

How on earth does that translate into me being happy that someone's cherished child has failed the 11+? Jeeze. Some people are such ............

Marni - as I said I sometimes disagree with Seeker, too, so am hardly arguing against disagreement.

It is possible to disagree with someone's opinion and ideas without looking through back posts, seeking to entrap them by claiming something from past threads, and making snide comments.

Anyway, I am not intending to prolong this, and am off on an errand.

Blu - what you are saying is that if someone in a previous thread said that they tried to get their DS into a grammar school I shouldn't bring it up when the same person says that GSs should be banned because it is socially devisive.

Correct me if I am wrong. I don't want to be accused of misrepresenting what you said.