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new RG uni's

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betternextlife · 12/03/2012 21:05

Announced today are 4 additions to the RG Group of Unis, Durham, Exeter, Queen Mary, and York. They were all previously part of the 1994 Group.

They all had a good reputation to start with and are not likely to be doing anything differenty at all, but presumably they think this will make them seem better.

So the question remains as to if any 'uni associations' which confer status really based on any actual superiority or just self-imposed hype.

Having taught within a range of institutions (including RG) I think that that it is definately the latter.

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andisa · 13/03/2012 20:40

I've read most of the posts on this thread with interest.

I did feel that the tone at times is elitist ( to put it politely) and a little scary for normal mortal souls to post.

Surely, the job market is broad and varied like the selection of universities and some sensible employers are not snobs or wholly taken in by the "good name" of a university.

However, having been to university a long time ago and having children who at some stage soon will need to investigate universities, could I have some tips on how you judge a course at your chosen universities?

Successful candidates I presume will usually have had the best guidance, ready for independent learning or not.

Do hope my spelling and grammar do not offend and I can receive some down to earth replies! Grin

webwiz · 13/03/2012 21:25

andisa my DD's who are both at university did look at league tables for their chosen subjects as a starting point eg the Sunday times but just as a guidance. Then after that they looked at the individual universities and what was covered in the course.

The choice of universities to apply for involves far more than reputation - lots of other factors need to be taken into consideration such as the grades that will be asked for, will you have to spend time doing a module that you'll hate and practicalities such as how far away the university is from home and do you live on campus or will you have to travel in every day. Then there is the intangible "feel" of a university when you visit.

DoomCatsofCognitiveDissonance · 13/03/2012 21:29

I don't know if I can help or not, andisa. And I am just a lowly PhD student who teaches, so I am both naive and inexperienced (though I do care).

I'd say for a start, you don't want to choose the university before you choose the course. A place may be brilliant for 90% of its courses, but terribly for the other 10 - or, it could be wonderful but just wrong for your DC, who needs a different kind of wonderful. Take for example medicine at Oxbridge - it is very good, but if you are keen to be a hands-on medic, you might actually get impatient and prefer somewhere less research-oriented.

But, assuming you want to know how good a specific course at a specic university is, you can look at published league tables by subject. You can also look at things like the average grades the university asks for - by and large, the higher these are, the more comeptitive and the better it is. And you can look at how many students drop out every year (IMO very important), and how many get jobs in a year.

The above will give you a bit of an idea of how well-respected and competitive the course is. You do then really need to know if it will suit your child. There are big differences in terms of teaching/assessment methods.

For example, some places will assess students through all three years, so each year some of your work counts to the final grade. Other places, the only thing that determines the grade is a few concentrated hours of exams in the final year. You need to know what suits you as a student. You'll be much more likely to get a high grade if you are in a place that teaches teh way you want.

Content can also vary a lot - you need to check what will be studied. For example, if you do English Lit and go to Cambridge, you can avoid the twentieth century and literary theory almost completely; at Leeds, you will need to understand both.

If you can find a course that is reasonably well-respected, and suits you in terms of content and teaching style, that is what you want. I hope that helps but sorry if not!

gettingalifenow · 14/03/2012 06:42

Building on the wise words of doom above me, this year may be easier for prospective students to make comparisons with the imminent introduction of 'key information sets' or KISs to their friends, which all unis will have to publish for all courses from 1 st August .

The will provide a one screen view on key indicators for all courses - most of them the same for everyone (eg grades required, graduate destinations/employment records) with only a little local interpretation - so gives a first comparison of the same course in different places.

andisa · 14/03/2012 10:22

Referring to KISs - will these be easy to find, put along side course criteria in university web pages or will they be hidden in the small print somewhere so the less 'UCAS literate' parent/student may miss them.

Sorry to ask such a basic question - would you know this?

Have found previous posts interesting, it appears the 'choosing a course' process may not be so different to 30 years ago. What I am wary of is teachers telling you - 'this course is good' which is anecdotal and although I have a sense of good uni courses in my subject area, our knowledge is often historical or based on long term reputation which does not take into account recent changes or developments in other unis.

It is also a problem when your children wish to study completly different subjects to my knowledge area which makes me feel less able to advise. I thinking knowing which kind of assessment procedure would best suit your child is a good starting point though - I remember doing this for myself and was glad to be reminded.

Of course, it is up to my children to choose but I'm pretty sure the best candidates often received the best advice.

gettingalifenow · 14/03/2012 14:11

The KISs will be very visible on each uni's website - I'm not sure if there will be a link in from UCAS but there may also be a central 'repository' for all unis and their 'KISs'.

The whole points the new data set is to allow ready comparison for potential students so they will be easy to find

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