Do you think the riots will come here?

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Wondering if Scots anticipate riots coming here too? I know there was a rumour of something in Glasgow tomorrow, some right wing rally, don’t know if true. But I’ve been assuming it’s unlikely to take hold here because it’s so English - not all the politics for sure, but the deep vein of English nationalism in it wouldn’t go too well up here. What do others think? Also, it’s annoying me the media is reporting it constantly as UK wide when it’s not been up here yet at all afaik.

I think the likelihood so far is low, but Glasgow would be where things kick off if it did.
Scotland has never experienced the same pressures as England due to its small population, so there's less motivation. There's deep divisions festering though. Maybe in a decade it might erupt like down south.

There’s plenty racism here but I’m not aware of anything happening in an organised way, like down south.

In Scotland I think we quite like showing ourselves to be different to the English, so hopefully nothing will kick off.

Schools go back next week and parents will be back into their usual work routines, so hopefully that will take any heat out of people who might be thinking about getting involved in rioting.

I sincerely hope not. The scenes being shown are absolutely disgusting. Seems the EDL leader did attempt some misinformation about an incident in Stirling but Police Scotland corrected it pretty rapidly.
Horrifying that other countries are warning their citizens not to travel to the UK.

I would say it is unlikely, the Scots are known for being egalitarian. However you never know. I do hope not.

There's nothing particularly unique about Scotland or Scottish people.

Studies on general attitudes have shown that people in Scotland are not that much different from people elsewhere in the UK - similar variations on concerns and viewpoints. Probably slightly more positive than England, especially on immigration, but as I said that's because in Scotland we have a different set of circumstances.

Like Ireland, historically there's been more emigration than immigration in Scotland. As this changes, there will be tensions building up. Ireland had riots a year or two ago. So things can change fairly rapidly if people's concerns are not addressed.

The BBC have reported that rioters from Glasgow were at the incidents in Sunderland.

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/13/glasgow-residents-surround-and-block-immigration-van-from-leaving-street

I agree with OP that English nationalism isn’t high on most Scottish peoples’ agenda.

Although Dublin had some unrest a while back so one does indeed never know…

edited to add: I hope so too @LBFseBrom

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We were smug like this in Ireland too!

It was easy to maintain when nobody actually wanted to migrate TO Ireland, but when they did it turned out we were no better than any other country.

The level of immigration in England is much much higher than in Scotland. I am not sure if there are many deprived areas in Scotland where Scottish-born individuals are in the minority. There are loads of areas in England where that is the case.

In the process of moving to Perth. Feels unlikely.

This is why it is less likely to be an issue in Scotland, not the smug, we’re different attitude! Which areas of Scotland are majority ethnic minority?

Where are the towns and cities in England where ethnic minorities are the “majority”, please?

Sunderland has 4% of its population not born in the uk

Scotland it's 7%

We need to avoid being smug - PP has used the word ‘English nationalism’ as if there is not ‘Scottish nationalism’ - it’s a slippery slope to think there are no issues here

In some places being English is enough for some people to comment face to face and FB ( yep that lovely space) is awash with some very anti English comments. If we can be like that with our nearest neighbours ( and in some cases family members) whose to say Scots won’t have similar issues with people they perceive to be different??

What we all need to do is be mindful of the nationalism that encourages an ‘anti other ‘ attitude - and guard against it taking hold

London probably the most ethically diverse area of the uk

I can’t see it happening in Scotland but if it did possibly in Glasgow. I was surprised talking to people months ago at how much casual racism and anger some men seem to have. I work for LA and these were refuse lorry drivers / loaders. Blokes who would have been football casuals back in the day, some with a criminal history for violence some of whom I could imagine joining a rioting mob.

Its interesting as you never hear anything like this in the office but it was very open out in the yard.

I said areas rather than whole cities. In Leicester as a whole 42% of the residents were not born in England, in Luton it is 40%.

We’d be naive to think it couldn’t happen here but agree it’s a bit less likely

and if it continues to bucket down then that in itself will keep numbers low

Also that is just those not born in the UK, the ethnic minority population would be even higher.

Probably London

63% of londoners are identifying as ethnic minority of which 17% class as white ethnic minority

Yet so far no London riots?

Agree with this. The demographics in Scottish cities are very different.

The SNP has long argued that it promotes an inclusive sense of Scottish identity - anyone who comes to live in Scotland has the right to be regarded as Scottish, irrespective of whether they or their parents were born in Scotland or not.
In England, however, politicians have tended to promote Britishness rather than Englishness as the identity to which all living in England can lay claim.
This contrast is reflected in the views of SNP supporters and "English nationalists"
Scottish Nationalism is far more left leaning than English Nationalism.

The only time you see the Union Flag waved about in a hostile fashion in Scotland is when the Orange Order parade around their sectarianism (as vile and dangerous as racism). As many of these 'marchers' are shipped in from Northern Ireland to boost the small numbers in Scotland - it would be no surprise if they shipped themselves over the border into England to join the chaos.

However - it's a big mistake to say the criminal riots in England by these hooligan thugs is about migration directly. It's about right wing politicians whipping up anxiety and hatred of migrants - remember how close Farage and the Tories were in their views, to the point there was talk of the parties merging? Remember how close Trump and Farage are in their views - remember the whipped up riots and storming of the Capitol Building in the USA by Trump? Same mentality.

The gormless thugs who get dog whistled into criminal behaviour - let's remember they are trying to kill fellow citizens, burning their cars, smashing up their homes and places of worship, looting their shops and terrorising their families.

The thugs are to blame, not the migrants.
Oh the irony that the EDL leader is in Cyprus (migrant?)when the hell he has launched on others blazes away.

Where to begin?

KielderWater · Today 11:59
MrsSkylerWhite · Today 11:37
Where are the towns and cities in England where ethnic minorities are the “majority”, please?
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I said areas rather than whole cities. In Leicester as a whole 42% of the residents were not born in England, in Luton it is 40%.

So minorities, then?