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Hatred of the SNP and the left has reached new levels apparently.

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Rainbowshit · 07/05/2024 11:30

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I'm actually speechless over this one. Did the last 10 years of hatred and bile aimed at yoons, the banners saying "Tory scum out" pass Neil by?!?! 🙈

The hypocrisy is astonishing. When did anyone in the SNP ever stand up for a convent they disagreed with. They don't even stand up for their own?!?! Where was their support for Joanna Cherry?!?!

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Meeplemakeglasgow · 20/05/2025 23:02

TobyEsterhase · 20/05/2025 13:20

Personally, I feel very British. When I visit London or Staffordshire or Belfast or Oxford, I cannot conceive of these places aa being in a foreign country.

I wonder how many Scots don't feel British because they fail to grasp the fiscal reality of Scotland within UK.

www.these-islands.co.uk/publications/i374/scottish_politics_in_the_grip_of_a_fact_denial_epidemic.aspx

@TobyEsterhase Yes, you feel British, which is a very valid feeling, but many don’t, which is also valid.

That also goes both ways, I’ve worked with loads of Londoners who know absolutely nothing about Scotland and didn’t realise that part of Ireland is still in the UK.

There’s a high percentage of population in the UK who have absolutely no affinity to any sort of British identity at all.

celticnations · 21/05/2025 20:12

TobyEsterhase · 19/05/2025 20:27

Hate hate hate hate

And no sign of any positive and rational arguments for Scexit

I want Scotland to stay in UK so that we can remain part of a fantastic diverse culture and the single UK market which has enabled me to broaden my horizons and boost my career by working in England and Northern Ireland. I greatly appreciate being in a G7 economy which is big enough to withstand shocks like oil price crash, 2008 financial crisis and Covid and which uses fiscal transfers so that wealth of London/SE is redistributed.

That's what a positive and rational argument looks like celticnations. I don't need to bang out about how much I might hate SNP or Alex Salmond or Nicola Sturgeon.

Care to attempt to construct such an argument?

How about "I want Scotland to stay in the EU so that we can remain part of a fantastic diverse culture and the single EU market which has enabled me to broaden our horizons". 😉

celticnations · 21/05/2025 20:15

BigBoysDontCry · 16/05/2025 23:01

And Sturgeon and Yousaf aren't? 🤔😂

No. Not as bad as Johnson's or Farage's scale.

celticnations · 23/05/2025 11:13

Looks like hatred of the Tories is on the rise.

Polling 4th in England! (Reform in lead).

TobyEsterhase · 23/05/2025 14:20

celticnations · 21/05/2025 20:12

How about "I want Scotland to stay in the EU so that we can remain part of a fantastic diverse culture and the single EU market which has enabled me to broaden our horizons". 😉

Scotland was never a member of EU. Neither were Bavaria or Flanders or Catalonia.

Can you share your plan for Scotland reducing fiscal deficit to the 3% maximum allowed per EU Stability and Growth Pact ? (It is currently 10.4% so need to find £15bn of tax hikes/spending cuts ie £6,000 per household).

>700,000 Scots choose to broaden their horizons by living in other parts of UK. Around 7,000 choose to live in EU.

Viviennemary · 23/05/2025 14:22

Jeezitneverends · 07/05/2024 12:50

A Tory free Scotland…do they forget that they were known as the tartan tortes as they sided with them in the past? Fortunately some of us have long memories rather than selective ones like theirs

SNP are finished IMHO. Totally and absolutely discredited.

Jeezitneverends · 23/05/2025 15:09

@Viviennemary I really hope you’re right

TwentyKittens · 23/05/2025 15:28

Survation poll from a couple of weeks ago. Doesn't seem to have changed much for the SNP or independence polling.

The results in full:

Constituency

Alba 1%

Con 11%

Lab 19%

LibDem 11%

SNP 33%

Reform 19%

Greens 5%

Regional List

Con 12%

Green 9%

Lab 18%

Alba 3%

LibDem 10%

Reform 20%

SNP 29%

Seat projections

Con 13

Lab 18

LibDem 10

SNP 58

Green 8

Reform 21

Should Scotland be an independent country?

Yes 49%

No 51%

celticnations · 23/05/2025 19:52

Viviennemary · 23/05/2025 14:22

SNP are finished IMHO. Totally and absolutely discredited.

Hmmm.

Maybe.

But the polls still have them in the lead for the 2026 Holyrood election.

Still. Year to go!

celticnations · 23/05/2025 23:42

@TobyEsterhase

Various sources eg Economics Observatory indicate that in the short term (definition?) a newly independent Scotland would suffer economically.

Aside from the question of currency, there would be the question of a customs type border with England - esspecially if Scotland rejoined the EU (NB Spain has indicated that it might not block Scotland joining. Why? Gibraltar. Political mischief?).

Additionally, Holyrood would face difficult decisions regarding funding of the NHS, Welfare, Education, Law & Order et al. Uniquely, Scotland (like the UK) has a free at the point of use NHS. All (?) other countries use some form of social insurance. This is why small countries of comparable size to Scotland eg Ireland can manage - their health service is not free. It is the reason that despite a Sinn Fein FM in NI, support for a reunited Ireland is still around 46%. Even nationalists are reluctant to lose the NHS.

Above are some "against" reasons. And they are powerful.

In mitigation, in 2023 Scotland achieved 100% energy self-sufficiency & we export the excess to rUK. Water also, on occasion.

Faslane - and other NATO strategic bases - could be leased to rUK like Hong Kong was to China (annoying the Greens & breaking SNP policy).

We have tourism, whisky, gin & other craft alcohols. We have a uniquely successful scientific & technical base encompassing astrophysics to bio-sciences.

All potential revenue.

Oil & Gas though unreliable is also a potential revenue earner.

Holyrood would have the power to keep all revenues eg tax; VAT. They could introduce a social insurance scheme based on tax band.

Is the above enough? No idea. The leap into independence - like Brexit - is a leap into the unknown.

Cameron opined that he believed with heart, head & soul that the UK was better together. So some voted agin independence with their heads, but their hearts & souls are not & still not for the Union. The only union that they want is the European Union. The Union Flag means nothing compared to the golden stars on blue.

When unionists ask, why leave one union for another they are never given the true answer. Because it is an answer that hurts. One union is quite simply preferred over the other union: one is trusted more than the other.

I don't think that now is the time to re-open independence. The UK is near broke & needs all hands to the pumps. Polls swing between 41% Yes to 52% Yes thus neither side can be sure of victory.

And then there's Putin.

Best stick together for now.

celticnations · 23/05/2025 23:54

Viviennemary · 23/05/2025 14:22

SNP are finished IMHO. Totally and absolutely discredited.

Polls putting SNP way ahead.

Tories are fairly behind Labour & Reform. IMHO the unionist vote has split.

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