Hatred of the SNP and the left has reached new levels apparently.

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I'm actually speechless over this one. Did the last 10 years of hatred and bile aimed at yoons, the banners saying "Tory scum out" pass Neil by?!?! 🙈

The hypocrisy is astonishing. When did anyone in the SNP ever stand up for a convent they disagreed with. They don't even stand up for their own?!?! Where was their support for Joanna Cherry?!?!

I don't care about them "having their say" as I have no interest in independence. You obviously do so we'll have to differ on that.

@BonnieBairn "gender woo pish - brilliant 😂

Add to all the other money wasting, the Named Person scheme. Headteachers and parents didn't want it.
Oh and the bottle return fiasco

You really couldn't make it up

What's the GFA and how is a generation 7 years? A generation of people is from parent to child - 20 to 30 years usually.

Good Friday Agreement?
Glasgow Fascist Action?
Greedy Fucking Amateurs?
Guide for Anarchy?

Could be anything, tbh. Only a total numpty could argue that "generation" means 7 years.

Add to all the other money wasting, the Named Person scheme. Headteachers and parents didn't want it.
Oh and the bottle return fiasco
You really couldn't make it up

And the ferries
And the "blended learning" plan of Swinney's which would have meant less than 30% of time in schools
And the brainwave about sawing the bottom off fire doors for ventilation
And the "lost" Whatsapp messages from the pandemic
And Ms Sturgeon and her fecking campervan...

I amused myself by finding out all the different possible GFA's -

Game Farmers Association
GfA Elektomaten
Ghanan Football Association
Global Furniture Alliance
Gibraltar Football Association
Global Fashion Agenda
Gloucester Football Association
General Freight Agent
Guitar Foundation of America

I have spent my adult life living in Scotland or Wales. It’s completely put me off independence. These small countries, with small populations, are just too vulnerable to being captured by ideologue lobbyists, like they were by gender ideology. They end up being run by a small group of people, based around the capital, who move from one job to another in the third or public sector. They all know each other, help each other get jobs, and the group think is overwhelming. I was at a work event recently where not only did everyone there seem to think the same, but they assumed everyone there thought like them. That like of diversity of thought and lack of challenge is not a good thing when running a country.

It’s fairly safe to assume that most posters on Mumsnet are economically comfortable compared to most of the population in Scotland.

Again on this thread people have been disparaging to those on benefits and not as secure or doing so well.

Another way to look at this is if the UK was able to give people of all backgrounds a fair shot at life then many disadvantaged people would be happy and not looking for a seismic change such as independence.

Im fairly neutral on independence, the 143rd rise of Farage is swaying me towards voting for SNP this time.

Not that I think they’ve done a particularly good job incidentally but nothing compared to what the Tories have done and Starmer has apathetically destroyed Scottish Labour.

Ultimately though my vote won’t really matter, for all the posturing here the facts are that the SNP are miles ahead in the polls, Labour have lost all credibility, the public are still angry at the Tories and Reform will likely split whatever Unionist vote is left.

Whether it leads to another referendum or not I think we all better get used to the SNP dominating another Scottish Parliament.

Not a chance would I vote for the SNP or independence. None of the reasons I voted no have changed and now you just know that their first action would be to destroy women's rights and give them to gender addled trans identifying men.

Good Friday Agreement.

Co-authored by Westminster.

So in NI they get to revisit a Border Poll every 7 years - if they so wish.

I'm pleased that some of you have openly expressed a clear "No! Don't care!" about any younger folk ever (?) having their say.

The SNP have squandered devolution without a doubt. Screwed up too & need a lesson in listening. Tartan Tories indeed.

Re the Tories.

Most successful political party in the world. Hundreds of years old.

Stood against Women voting, against Catholic Emancipation, against Irish Home Rule, against the GFA, against Devolution...the Tories made redundant 1000s of service personnel only years after Desert Storm & again in 2012 under SDSR. The SNP screwed up the ferries but the Tories disbanded the Harrier Force & sent our carriers to sea with no aircraft!

The Tories wanted our bodies piled high & partied whilst we were locked down.

Then there is Bliar & his WMDs.

Reform UK are going to clip unionist wings.

I would not be too unhappy the SNP losing next year - a period of reflection might do them good. But I will not vote Tory or Reform.

Agreed.

Their Trans stance is shocking.

Agree @Meeplemakeglasgow i don’t get a sense labour do care how badly they’re doing in polls or have a plan to turn it around…

I voted yes to independence last time, but the GRR bill is a large part of why I wouldn't vote yes again.

Looks like Starmer has holed Sarwar's ship below the waterline.

Seems to me that main reason people support Scotland seceding from UK is an irrational and obsessive hatred of England.

If England reverted back to ancient kingdoms of Wessex, Mercia, Northumberland etc then Scexit would disappear.

Wanting Scotland to secede from UK is perfectly valid political opinion but believing that Scotland is oppressed/exploited/subjugated by "Westminster" is batshit crazy.

Figures voluntarily published by SNPGOV show Scotland benefits from fiscal transfer from taxpayers in London area (home to 280,000 Scots) worth £5,000 per household per annum.

£111bn public spending less £88bn taxes (which includes geographical share of North Sea) = £23bn fiscal deficit

£10bn is funded by population share of UK borrowing (£122bn x 8.2%) which means £13bn is funded by taxpayers in other parts of UK.

£13bn divided by 2.5m households = > £5K.

I don't get why people don't want to be British because they don't like Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage.

I don't like Nicola Sturgeon or Humza Yousaf but that doesn't make me think "I don't like these Central Belt people so I don't think of myself as Scottish anymore and I will campaign to recreate the Pictish nation which predates Scotland"

Because Johnson & Farage ARE outright nutters :))

And Sturgeon and Yousaf aren't? 🤔😂

Yet more evidence that Separatists are motivated by hatred and have no positive and rational arguments for Scexit

Au contraire.

I think that the SNP have squandered the benefits that devolution brings. If we could have a party like NI's Alliance I'd vote for them. Also, I think that given the geo-political mess outwith the UK we're all better sticking together - including back within the EU. And keeping our Nukes.

As for the mainstream parties like Labour, Cons & LibDems...seriously? They've broken the UK financially, reputationally, economically & politically by letting Farage in.

Blair: War Criminal. WMDs. Open Borders. "Gerrymandered" deHondt to kill SNP primarily. (One party majority).

Cameron: Backtracked on MaxDevo post IndyRef1. Resigned his Brexit Ref.

LibDems: Uni Fees.

Johnson: wanted our bodies piled high. Partied on down in lockdown.

Truss: damaged the economy more than Covid.

What's the UK wide deficit now?

Hate hate hate hate

And no sign of any positive and rational arguments for Scexit

I want Scotland to stay in UK so that we can remain part of a fantastic diverse culture and the single UK market which has enabled me to broaden my horizons and boost my career by working in England and Northern Ireland. I greatly appreciate being in a G7 economy which is big enough to withstand shocks like oil price crash, 2008 financial crisis and Covid and which uses fiscal transfers so that wealth of London/SE is redistributed.

That's what a positive and rational argument looks like celticnations. I don't need to bang out about how much I might hate SNP or Alex Salmond or Nicola Sturgeon.

Care to attempt to construct such an argument?

I'm traditionally labour, but I might actually vote Conservative in this election.

Labour have let women/disabled/pensioners down.
SNP hate women and I hate the idea of independence.
Greens aren't green and are completely batshit.
Reform too right wing and don't seem to have a plan for power if they got it.
Lib Dem also hate women.
Alba too small and again I don't support independence.

Conservatives did warn us about Labour and people didn't listen. They've also been fairly consistent on women's rights. Never thought I'd consider voting Tory but here we are. Thatchers been dead for years, we need to move on.

I loathe the idea of independence but the best way to get independence is to prove that Scotland can be run well as an independent nation, and the SNP are howlingly dire at this so the union is safe. But I think Scotland could be run very successfully under devolution if a party with the right mindset took power, and it would be interesting to see them do so. They get an extra £2k per head of population than they raise in taxes. Masses of money is currently being thrown at benefits claimants, and uni students. Economic development is totally and utterly ignored. Money is spaffed on spin doctors, overseas embassies and stupid stunts like insisting on boats being built on the Clyde instead of outsourcing the work overseas for far less money. The number of ‘lanyard class’ highly paid useless public servants doing non-jobs is massive. Shrink the state, reduce benefits to match England, scrap tuition fees and plough money into the Scottish economy to drive growth and business investment. Scotland could stand on its own two feet then and prove that it could be an affluent, successful nation.

The Scottish government seems to want a devolved Scotland to fail as a means to ‘proving’ the only successful way must be Indy, so the union is 100% safe for a number of years yet.

@TobyEsterhase When it comes to identity, most people don’t vote on economics. They vote on how they feel, what they believe. The fact is that there is less of a British identity in Scotland, whatever that’s supposed to mean now. You just need to look at the contrast between the two country’s celebrations of VE Day to see that there is a contrast.

Personally, I feel very British. When I visit London or Staffordshire or Belfast or Oxford, I cannot conceive of these places aa being in a foreign country.

I wonder how many Scots don't feel British because they fail to grasp the fiscal reality of Scotland within UK.

www.these-islands.co.uk/publications/i374/scottish_politics_in_the_grip_of_a_fact_denial_epidemic.aspx