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Halloween bashers are out. Santa will be next.

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BitofaStramash · 31/10/2023 17:33

Every bloody year insisting Halloween is American!

No it's bloody not.

Hope you are enjoying your guisers and see some good party pieces tonight. Although I'm braced to hear the same joke 100 times.

Next up will be the threads insisting that we call the big man Father Christmas.

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Mumoftwotoddlers · 31/10/2023 17:35

I am surprised they left it so late this year, usually they start complaining the week before

BitofaStramash · 31/10/2023 17:43

To be fair they've been busy bitching about the clocks going back.

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Mumoftwotoddlers · 31/10/2023 17:48

Ha I did notice that. I'm waiting for all the firework bunch next

Waitwhat23 · 31/10/2023 18:16

All the kids I've spoken to over the last few days have talked about 'trick or treating' and it makes me want to scream to the skies that it's guising!

I was thinking the other day that we used to get invited into people's living rooms when I was guising as a kid to do your bit. I can't imagine that happening now!

Waitwhat23 · 31/10/2023 18:17

BitofaStramash · 31/10/2023 17:43

To be fair they've been busy bitching about the clocks going back.

Oh yes, there was one particularly interesting comment about someone's dad bitching about it being for the benefit of Scottish schoolchildren.

BitofaStramash · 31/10/2023 18:19

we used to get invited into people's living rooms when I was guising as a kid to do your bit

Lol you are right. I'd forgotten all about that.

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romdowa · 31/10/2023 18:23

Why do you call it guising in Scotland? Is it like donning a disguise? I wonder had we a similar word like that in Ireland for it before.

supernoodletrain · 31/10/2023 18:26

romdowa · 31/10/2023 18:23

Why do you call it guising in Scotland? Is it like donning a disguise? I wonder had we a similar word like that in Ireland for it before.

"People believed that ghosts roamed the streets on Halloween night. Children would disguise themselves as evil spirits by blackening their faces and dressing in old clothes. Thus disguised, they could venture out safely without being detected by malevolent spirits"

So yes, it comes from disguise!

Waitwhat23 · 31/10/2023 18:28

Found this which I thought was pretty interesting -

www.heraldscotland.com/news/19655339.halloween-guising-scotland-meaning-different-trick-treating/

romdowa · 31/10/2023 19:02

supernoodletrain · 31/10/2023 18:26

"People believed that ghosts roamed the streets on Halloween night. Children would disguise themselves as evil spirits by blackening their faces and dressing in old clothes. Thus disguised, they could venture out safely without being detected by malevolent spirits"

So yes, it comes from disguise!

It's the same custom as in Ireland but I've just never heard that term. Thanks for explaining

Lecc · 31/10/2023 20:32

I am from a Welsh background and pretty old. My Welsh parents and grandparents always used Father Christmas. I thought Santa was the American name!!

smartpocketwatch · 31/10/2023 21:28

Yeah its pretty annoying when they start up with its an American import, Halloween never used to be a thing and so on when it literally originates from the British Isles just not the English bit.

prettybird · 31/10/2023 22:36

Every year I have renewed appreciation of my mum for carving out neep lanterns all those many Halloween Blush years ago.

This was my much easier Halloween Wink effort tonight. Had lots of guisers around tonight - actually ran out of mini chocolate bars Halloween Shock (but not the apples and satsumas Halloween Grin - and expected each and every one to do their piece for getting anything Halloween Smile

Halloween bashers are out. Santa will be next.
Merrilydancing · 31/10/2023 22:40

I have just had a rant on another thread about this very thing!

Love Halloween and Santa!

comedycentral · 31/10/2023 22:44

The ones that clutch their pearls and declare trick or treat to be 'begging' get on my nerves the most - oh bore off 🎃

Nobody forces people to get involved, just ignore the door! You can tell when neighbours welcome trick-or-treaters by their decorating.

Waitwhat23 · 31/10/2023 22:47

When I was growing up, we always had a plate each of sweeties, monkey nuts and coppers ready for the guisers. We found monkey nuts in the Halloween aisle at Home Bargains this year and I was surprised as I didn't think people put them out anymore.

ACGTHelixA · 31/10/2023 23:00

Hope this helps intrigue posters, on some history of halloween:

The Historical Evolution of Halloween: From Ancient Rituals to Modern Festivities

Halloween, a widely celebrated and anticipated occasion, has a rich and diverse history that spans centuries. Rooted in ancient traditions, the holiday has undergone a fascinating evolution, blending various cultural influences to become the festive and spooky celebration known today.

I. Ancient Origins:
Halloween's origins can be traced back to ancient Celtic festivals, notably the Gaelic festival of Samhain. Celebrated around November 1st, Samhain marked the end of the harvest season and the beginning of winter. The Celts believed that during this time, the boundary between the living and the dead blurred, allowing spirits to roam freely. To ward off malevolent entities, people lit bonfires and donned costumes.

II. Christian Influence:
With the spread of Christianity, the Church sought to integrate existing pagan festivals into its calendar. In the 8th century, Pope Gregory III designated November 1st as All Saints' Day, a day to honor saints and martyrs. The evening before, known as All Hallows' Eve, gradually evolved into Halloween.

III. All Hallows' Eve in Medieval Europe:
In medieval Europe, Halloween traditions continued to intertwine with both pagan and Christian customs. The practice of "souling" emerged, where the poor would visit homes, offering prayers for the deceased in exchange for soul cakes. This tradition bears similarities to contemporary trick-or-treating.

IV. Americanization of Halloween:
Irish and Scottish immigrants brought Halloween traditions to North America in the 19th century. The holiday found a new identity with the incorporation of elements from Native American and other immigrant cultures. By the late 1800s, Halloween became a community-centered and secular celebration.

V. 20th Century Commercialization:
The 20th century witnessed the commercialization of Halloween. Mass-produced costumes, decorations, and confectionery transformed the holiday into a consumer-driven event. Trick-or-treating gained popularity, providing a safe and enjoyable way for communities to come together.

VI. Contemporary Halloween:
In the modern era, Halloween has become a global phenomenon, transcending its Celtic and Christian origins. Celebrated in diverse ways around the world, it incorporates a blend of ancient traditions and contemporary innovations. Festivities include costume parties, haunted attractions, and the exchange of candy, creating a unique cultural tapestry.

Conclusion:
From its ancient Celtic roots to its current status as a global celebration, Halloween has undergone a remarkable journey. Its evolution reflects the dynamic interplay of cultural, religious, and commercial influences, weaving a tapestry of traditions that continues to captivate and unite people across generations. As Halloween persists as a beloved and ever-evolving celebration, its history serves as a testament to the enduring power of human creativity and the universal desire to commemorate life, death, and the mysterious realms that lie in between.

Books:
"Halloween: From Pagan Ritual to Party Night" by Nicholas Rogers:

  • A comprehensive book that explores the history of Halloween from its ancient roots to modern-day celebrations.
"Halloween: The History of America's Darkest Holiday" by David J. Skal:
  • David J. Skal provides a detailed account of the history and cultural impact of Halloween in the United States.
"Trick or Treat: A History of Halloween" by Lisa Morton:
  • Lisa Morton's book offers an engaging and well-researched exploration of Halloween's history, customs, and traditions.
"The Halloween Tree" by Ray Bradbury:
  • While not a historical account, Ray Bradbury's novel is a beautifully written exploration of Halloween's cultural and historical roots through the eyes of a group of boys.
"Halloween Nation: Behind the Scenes of America's Fright Night" by Lesley Pratt Bannatyne:
  • Lesley Pratt Bannatyne takes readers on a journey through the contemporary celebration of Halloween, examining its cultural impact in the United States.
prettybird · 31/10/2023 23:36

@Waitwhat23 - I had a bowl of monkey nuts Halloween Grin

Kept them in a separate bowl to my other stuff in case any of the guisers had nut allergies (and yes, I know they're not tree nuts Halloween Wink)

Stroopwaffels · 03/11/2023 08:52

Turnip lanterns were awfully hard to carve! I was born early 70s and pumpkins weren't a thing in the supermarkets really, everyone had turnips instead.

There is a general issue on MN about people not being able to think outside their own narrow experience living in a city. There is a thread running on AIBU about someone being stranded after the Scotrail network pretty much collapsed yesterday evening a 20 minute drive from home and most replies are "just get an Uber" or "just get a hotel" or "just walk the 15 miles home along unlit roads" from posters who can't step outside their London experience.

Waitwhat23 · 03/11/2023 13:07

My little village's bus service is approximately 5 buses a day and none at all on a Sunday. There's not even a shop. The next village along is approximately a 40 minute walk along unlit, winding, 60 mph roads.

And compared to other villages near us, we're not that rural. It genuinely boggles people's minds.

WaitingfortheTardis · 03/11/2023 13:21

I do call him Father Christmas out of habit, but I don't mind him being called Santa! I get more irritated when people don't understand that different families do 'him' in different ways and get shirty if you don't do it the way they think is acceptable. It's a magical thing, there are no rules!

LiCenDon · 03/11/2023 14:02

Waitwhat23 · 03/11/2023 13:07

My little village's bus service is approximately 5 buses a day and none at all on a Sunday. There's not even a shop. The next village along is approximately a 40 minute walk along unlit, winding, 60 mph roads.

And compared to other villages near us, we're not that rural. It genuinely boggles people's minds.

Aw don't worry about the bus service, just get an Uber Grin

BirthdayQuestions · 03/11/2023 14:06

Haha growing up we had one bus every two days out of the village and on alternate days was the bus coming back. Not quite sure how they expected anyone to go anywhere 😂

We have always said Santa or Santa Claus.

We were also having the discussion about being invited into living rooms. Going into an ancient neighbours' living room once a year to plunge your face into an icy bucket of water to get a bloody apple! Worst 'fun' ever

AgentProvocateur · 03/11/2023 14:09

in the 70s, it was all apples and monkey nuts with the odd Milky Way. I did get a toffee apple once, which I still remember being the most exciting thing ever! 😂

Yes, never called Santa “Father Christmas” in my life!

Waitwhat23 · 03/11/2023 14:23

LiCenDon · 03/11/2023 14:02

Aw don't worry about the bus service, just get an Uber Grin

There's definitely no Ubers out here and I'm not entirely sure that the local taxi company will come to this village! Even if it did, it would cost a fortune.

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