Rapist given community order for raping 13 year old girl.

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-65164041.amp

I'm beyond furious about this.

I remember how furious I was about that at the time too. How they valued his future career over justice. 🤬

I'm sure there were calls for review of the sentence?

The usual brain dead snp baaaaad comments here. 🙄

There is a presumption of non-custody except as last resort fo under 25's. This had wide support from all parts of society & cross party support.

It's a disgrace that so many kids lives were being blighted by stupid crimes, petty theft, fighting each other outside a bar or dealing weed.

A young woman (student) (katie Allan) killed herself in prison a few years ago because she made a stupid error of driving drunk & knocked a boy her own age down. Horrible and she deserved punished but no one including his family thought prison best place for her.

Community sentencing is the best result for these types of crimes.

That said, they are sentencing guidelines the judiciary (judge on the day ) had the ability to give a custodial sentence.

And in this instance he damm well should have.

The judiciary is independent of government.
There are sadly a lot of misogynistic old judges.

I believe this is going to crown appeal as everyone is rightly up in arms at the horrific leniency

It's a disgrace that so many kids lives were being blighted by stupid crimes, petty theft, fighting each other outside a bar or dealing weed.

It's also a disgrace that so many women and girls lives are blighted by rape which they never recover from.

Community orders are fine but not appropriate in cases of violent crime against a person

If a 15 year old seriously assaults a classmate on school grounds, the police can charge the child with assault, but absolutely nothing will happen to the child. No consequences for their behaviour whatsoever. I don’t believe in corporal punishment but there has to be some form of serious consequences for serious actions, and there are currently none whatsoever. That’s why kids are too anxious to go to school. The new sentencing guidance is ridiculous and needs to be binned.

There isn't enough focus on punishment imho. I can understand not locking 17, 21, 23 yo men up and throwing away the key for having a bad start in life and thinking selling drugs is the only way out of poverty -- maybe there is a better way for them and there's not a victim with a family to think about (I know the drug industry as a whole isn't victimless but ykwim). But victims need justice and the punishment part is what stops us carrying out our own forms.

Rehabilitation tries to make sure they won't offend again, but punishment is what deters people from doing it in the first place and deters society from descending into vigilanteism.

I have a 13 yo DD. If (god forbid) a 17 yo man held her down in a park and violently raped her why in the actual fuck would I go to the police now and put her through the added trauma of a trial for the beast to get sentenced to a few hours of litter picking? It would be like rubbing salt into her wounds. There is absolutely no way. I would have him castrated down a dark alley and sleep soundly knowing justice was actually served.

I surely cannot be the only one thinking this is Scotland right now - it's worrying!

She drove drunk from the pub, mowed down a 15 year old child, drove off leaving him bleeding, seriously injured and unconscious in the road, not even stopping to see if he was alive or dead.

Not sure she's the amazing victim figure you should have chosen here.

The usual brain dead snp baaaaad comments here. 🙄

I can’t remember if you’re one of the usual paid posters or just a volunteer brainwashed defender of the cult…?

It's one thing to NOT lock 17-24 yos up for a bit of fighting, a little light housebreaking, some drug-dealing on the side ...

But Rape? What about Murder?

Rehabilitation? What about the victims?

Hm. I feel like there might be more going on here than has been reported. Repeated events over a three month period at the same location are not the usual sexual offence profile. It's odd.

I really hope the girl is getting the right therapeutic support and care.

I think it will be appealed but why do Scottish men hate women so openly and so badly.

Never been there and nothing tempts me. Scotland seems to hate women. Very worrying

Couldn't agree more & that's why the judiciary has the final say. They are "guidelines" not unbreakable rules"

@Bamboux so in your opinion a 20 year old who lived a previously exemplary life deserved to go to prison DESPITE the family of the guy she hurt and himself saying they didn't want that
Because she made a one off stupid mistake.

Well you got your way. She effectively got a death sentence.

Vile.

Of course they deserved prison!!

There is no DESPITE what the family think. Families get victim statements in court but you just cannot live in a society where the family has that much influence on sentencing. Completely opens up the doors to offenders / murderers / rapists committing crimes then starting trying to bribe you, threaten you, manipulate you etc into saying "we the family have forgiven them for murdering our daughter and don't want to see them in prison".

If you don't give prison sentences for hit and runs under the influence what stops people doing that? Their own moral compass? Isn't that a bit risky with all these under 25s running around who apparently don't have one yet??

1. Yes, I think that a drunk driver who drives home from a pub, hits and severely injures a child, drives off without checking to see if they are OK or calling for help, deserves to go to prison.
2. The families of victims don't get to decide what sentences are imposed, for obvious reasons.
3. She didn't get a death sentence. She got a custodial sentence. It's a pretty basic difference.
4. You're right, drink driving, followed by a hit and run on a child, is vile, as is saying that it's not a serious enough crime to warrant prison.

I hope you realise that 95% of the Scottish public think your views are absolutely abhorrent. If you don’t realise that now you will at the next elections. The SNP and Greens are both sick in the head. True crazy behaviour.

Norway has one of the lowest reoffending rates in the world. It has famously liberal prison system BUT it invests heavily in rehabilitation, education, therapy of the offenders. Scotland - in its wannabe Scandinavian fashion - has the liberal prison sentences without the investment in rehabilitation, which is waaaayyy worse for society than just locking all offenders up.

Absolutely agree.

If she was genuinely remorseful she would have stopped and perhaps saved a kids life - not driven away in self interest.

I agree that anyone (not just the under 25s) shouldn't be locked up for stealing clothes or low level crimes but rape? They should lock them up and throw away the key - that poor girl has to live with this for life but he gets to pick up litter and move on. Abhorrent and yes, this is another blow to women in the land of the SNP.

So if you are old enough to rape a 13 year old child

then you should go to prison and it should remain on your record . This is literally a get out of jail free card for under 25 s .
If Scotgov is so progressive then it can provide rehabilitation while inside . The little girl will live with that for the rest of her life . Just another example of poorly thought out SNP policy . SNP can’t be trusted with anything and I hope all their supporters are appalled at what they’ve visited upon Scotland.

@Pattypop i suppose that’s just like the baby boxes. Finland had them but invested and resources prenatal and ante natal care, those in charge in Scotland didn’t.

this case is a bad signal for both young men and young girls and women - report your crime, go through hell for years waiting for court, re-live your trauma and face your accuser in the witness box and your rapist will get community service.

it is wider than rape too - we’ll see a groundswell of people targeting under 25s to commit crimes because of these guidelines.

What in gods name do you think the snp or the greens have to do with this... 🙄

Err, cause every single quango and ngo has been petrified to speak out against the snp / greens batshit ‘progressive’ ideas for years cause they are worried about getting their funding cut. The only MSPs screaming about what a mistake these changes were were the Tories. This has got SNP shite written all over it.

So basically get all your raping done before you're 25??

Horrific

So old enough to sterilise yourself and amputate healthy organs, but not old enough to know raping children is wrong. Scotland oh dear.

The Scottish Sentencing Council (a statutory, independent body) lays their Annual Report and Business Plan in front of the Scottish Parliament so the Parliament at the very least is aware of the changes to sentencing. Having read both, it's actually quite difficult to work out where their funding comes from.

The political parties in power have everything to do with this.

They really are not as impotent as some PP are making out; I would argue that this shows how incompetent they are. The Scottish government did produce a 36 page ‘The Vision of Justice for Scotland’ last year.
its happening on their watch.