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3 out of 10 of my DS's 15 year old friends are "trans"

60 replies

Rainbowshit · 06/12/2022 11:38

DS had his friends over. We were told there would be 9 boys and one girl when we asked who was coming.

When they turned up two were very obviously female. Neither of those were the "girl" though.

So 3 with trans identities out of a group of 10. Seems statistically improbable to me. And people say it's not a fashion or social contagion? 🤔

If all three remain trans into adulthood I will eat my hat.

Yet under Nicola's GRR reforms they could legally sign a statutory declaration and change their sex next year.

It's utterly ludicrous. Why are our children being failed so badly by our politicians?

OP posts:
TinyChancer · 06/12/2022 16:49

Same here OP, feels like everyone of DDs friends last year was trans. Fortunately she has a new friendship circle where none are trans. In her previous circle, one girl alternated from saying she was a lesbian, to saying she's non binary and insisting everyone calls her 'bubbles' because that's her name. I've known this girl since 3 years old and her mum has no idea. She definitely isn't trans. Similarly there's a boy who says he's non binary and his name is now DEMON. Oh and a girl who's non binary and her name is North. Its all bandwagon jumping and trying to be cool and be part of the latest trend. Its dangerous, harmful, opens them to ridicule and a distraction from their studies. It confuses other pupils because they don't know what to say or do. It doesn't help when they start bringing trans teachers into the classroom too. DD has a Mx Smith (biological female) and the local primary has a male teacher transistioning to female and its caused uproar because he is starting to change his clothign and wearing makeup and the kids are obviously confused and asking questions.

SantasGrotty · 06/12/2022 16:51

FuckabethFuckor · 06/12/2022 11:59

I hope you were hospitable to your son's friends, regardless of their sex or gender presentation. Not doing so would make you a bit of a rocket, quite frankly.

Well she let 10 of them over, sounds pretty relaxed.

SantasGrotty · 06/12/2022 16:52

ssd · 06/12/2022 11:52

Hes 15 i meant. The rest stands.

You meant 10.

Most people don't know their 15 year old children's friends that well. Or their children don't have many friends.

abcdefghijkml · 06/12/2022 16:56

Oblomov22 · 06/12/2022 12:58

Ding dang is right - trans gravitate to being in a friendship group with other trans, so the numbers make sense.

It does not make sense at all.

Namechangeforthis88 · 06/12/2022 16:57

I read this interesting book - The Sleeping Beauties: And Other Stories of Mystery Illness, by Suzanne O'Sullivan. I kept thinking about parallels with ROGD.

TrixJax · 06/12/2022 17:17

Surely Scot Gov need to do further research in this areas a matter of urgency. They've continually said numbers are very small but that's not what people are reporting from our secondary schools🤷🏼‍♀️

RhannionKPSS · 07/12/2022 10:40

Please write to your MPs & MSPs especially Labour & Conservative. We need them to at least pause the bill. The debate is on 20th December & the vote is planned for the 21st December. They are pushing this on & if it passes it will end up in court yet again. Women will have to crowd fund & if the Scottish Government loses then the tax payers pays, so women pay twice. Not a good use of tax payers money yet again.
Please keep pushing back to protect women and safeguard children in Scotland.

tolerable · 08/12/2022 18:20

i read article last week-snp legislated nursery age=old enough to choose preffered gender- staff must ask...what name will you answer to-whats your preffered pronoun.no obliged to inform/mention to parents.
I have a 12 yo. yelled upstairs-"whats a pronoun"right back...Its a word that you use for people with imaginary genders.
I DIDNT teach that.
that IS whats going on in school.

ScotsLassie322 · 08/12/2022 19:57

tolerable · 08/12/2022 18:20

i read article last week-snp legislated nursery age=old enough to choose preffered gender- staff must ask...what name will you answer to-whats your preffered pronoun.no obliged to inform/mention to parents.
I have a 12 yo. yelled upstairs-"whats a pronoun"right back...Its a word that you use for people with imaginary genders.
I DIDNT teach that.
that IS whats going on in school.

No it's not.

ZenNudist · 08/12/2022 20:03

Definitely social contagion. My friend has two DD who are now non binary. It started when one had a MTF friend then they identified as NB then their younger sister also Became NB. Result everyone trips over themselves to use preferred pronouns and chosen names which happen to be quite silly.

I don't support it because i dont feel female either so I guess I'm NB too but don't need hoo ha over names etc.

VerveClique · 08/12/2022 20:06

Let’s hope that by OP being ‘hospitable’ there were no unintended pregnancies or sexual assaults… because by turning a blind eye to the realities of natal sex, the teens in OPs care could well be at risk (absolutely not a dig at you OP).

And let’s also hope that this experimentation around identity of these teens doesn’t end up with them being any more emotionally troubled than they may already be, and that they come to no more physical or mental harm than what could arise from a dodgy piercing or a regrettable hairstyle.

SD1978 · 08/12/2022 20:15

ROGD is a social contagion- and is one based around adolescence and not wanting to change. Also has more of an affect on Autistic female teenagers. I don't understand why we are validating this blindly instead of looking at it for what it is- kids going through puberty and not wanting their body to change, so trying to keep it 'flat' and not like because the alternative is growing up. We are destroying a whole generation of children by validating this instead of being allowed to discuss it with them without having 'transohobe' screeched from the rooftops at you.

tolerable · 09/12/2022 00:21

@ScotsLassie322
well my correlation must be off.????????
thats what my "state educated"12 yo responded.Even if you skip the thing id just read\prompted my question...it kinda is

LuciferRising · 09/12/2022 12:59

Let’s hope that by OP being ‘hospitable’ there were no unintended pregnancies or sexual assaults… because by turning a blind eye to the realities of natal sex, the teens in OPs care could well be at risk (absolutely not a dig at you OP)

I brought this up about a year ago and was told no-one is stupid enough to not know how they get pregnant. But if adults are validating you can change sex, surely it isn't long before boys find yet new ways to pressurise girls into sex. E.g. You won't get pregnant if we have sex / don't use a condom because I am a girl now.

If people believe you can change sex, then they will believe this.

We already know some people are using the term transphobic if a lesbian won't have sex with a trans identifying male. It's another easy line for men to spout to convince vulnerable young women into sex.

redredwineub40 · 09/12/2022 15:48

Teen years have long been an area of identity issues, my main concern is that with this cohort of young teens are that unmet mental health needs are behind a lot of this, and this is the real trend we are seeing.

applesandpears33 · 09/12/2022 16:51

I agree. I am concerned that some young people could be doing irreversible damage to their bodies which they will regret in years to come.

Justtoshare · 09/12/2022 17:05

'Its a word that you use for people with imaginary genders.'

You should be pleased if he really said 'imaginary genders'. This means he can see it for the load of genderwoo it is.

SommerTen · 09/12/2022 17:48

I think @redredwineub40 is right about unmet mental health needs in young people.

For example a friend's 19 yr old daughter who was a boy then chose to become a female 3 yrs ago but has not had the surgery (I'm unsure if she's even had hormone therapy) has depression & self harm issues including suicide attempts. It's a really awful time for her and obviously for my friend.

Moomoola · 14/12/2022 21:03

Dd. Going through same. I thought it was a trend and she’d grow out of it, now in the sway of a girl taking hormones to be a boy. I’m concerned at how influenced she is being and how she seems to be distancing herself from us.

FatFilledTrottyPuss · 14/12/2022 21:25

I was listening to the radio today and they mentioned a huge rise in teenagers developing tics, most of these teenage girls and many of them with autism. The conversation was full of concern about what was causing this and how to manage it and I just couldn’t help but wonder why on earth questioning and being concerned about a rise in tics is completely normal and yet questioning a rise in transgender identities is completely verboten. What on earth is going on that so many adults who should know better are just going along with genderwoo and are all in favour of irreversible medicating children? There were no trans children in schools at all 20 years or fewer ago so it stands to reason that if this isn’t social contagion and it’s just easier to be openly transgender now there would be trans people in equal numbers in every age group, not mainly just teenagers and mostly girls.

Marie2023 · 04/01/2023 21:25

Meanwhile in Australia, my DS is in a school with over 2,000 kids. There has been only ONE trans person (M-F) in the 6 years he has been there.

If such a high percentage of kids are truly trans, you would expect it to be international.

Leafstamp · 10/01/2023 04:14

May be of interest too some things n this thread:

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-government-warned-ditch-risky-28885491

MockneyReject · 10/01/2023 07:46

In my social circle, there are currently 5 girls identitying as non-binary (all are 12/13/14), and one who says she's a boy. The one who identifies as a boy, is attracted to girls. She has chosen a currently fashionable boy's name.

All now have short (though not as short as most boys) hair and wear baggy hoodies and joggers.

Another friend has boy/girl twins. His daughter is now identitying as non-binary and is trying to encourage her brother to 'come out' so that he, too, can go to the school clubs and on the free trips etc. She has actually said 'you don't even have to be gay, just say you're non-binary' Also, apparently, you can 'get the teachers in trouble'.

In DS's small middle school, 4 have 'come out' as non-binary (all girls) since an independent LGBT group came in and delivered a series of workshops and set up an LGBT support group, where they get to stay indoors with free hot chocolate and biscuits, while the other students are shivering outside because they're not allowed indoors at breaktimes.

Of course it's a trend, a social contagion.
What child wouldn't want all that extra attention, the privileges and the power over teachers? To suddenly go from being an average kid to suddenly being super popular?

WandaWomblesaurus · 10/01/2023 08:47

Do people actually think that there are children who are born in the wrong body?

And that there are three or four in every school year? Or every friend group. All these kids born in the wrong body!!!!

It's all a bit magic isn't it? Magical special rainbow souls.
Or maybe it's social contagion that leads to kids amputating body parts or taking hormones that lead to irreversible damage as well.

But nothing to see here. It's only kids right?

Seriously - are the people on this thread saying that these kids who are born in the wrong bodies are gravitating to each other - on glue?

Kids are not born in the wrong bodies. It's not science fiction.

WandaWomblesaurus · 10/01/2023 08:49

MockneyReject · 10/01/2023 07:46

In my social circle, there are currently 5 girls identitying as non-binary (all are 12/13/14), and one who says she's a boy. The one who identifies as a boy, is attracted to girls. She has chosen a currently fashionable boy's name.

All now have short (though not as short as most boys) hair and wear baggy hoodies and joggers.

Another friend has boy/girl twins. His daughter is now identitying as non-binary and is trying to encourage her brother to 'come out' so that he, too, can go to the school clubs and on the free trips etc. She has actually said 'you don't even have to be gay, just say you're non-binary' Also, apparently, you can 'get the teachers in trouble'.

In DS's small middle school, 4 have 'come out' as non-binary (all girls) since an independent LGBT group came in and delivered a series of workshops and set up an LGBT support group, where they get to stay indoors with free hot chocolate and biscuits, while the other students are shivering outside because they're not allowed indoors at breaktimes.

Of course it's a trend, a social contagion.
What child wouldn't want all that extra attention, the privileges and the power over teachers? To suddenly go from being an average kid to suddenly being super popular?

Same situation in my dd's high school. The teachers and other adults encouraging this should be ashamed of themselves for being so stupid that they are waving on self harm with rainbow flags.

When will they wake up?