Why have the SNP turned on Joanna Cherry again?

[WouldBeGood]

Are they concerned she has too much support? Potential next leader instead of Robertson? I’m intrigued.

Have you seen the SNP students statement on Twitter this evening?

Hideous.

Yes, it’s awful

I was briefly a member of the SNP at the time she was first looking for a seat to contest.

She made a very good case for herself in my local constituency. And elsewhere.

She does talk a good game and is often very impressive, which gathers supporters and followers to her.

But I got the impression that during her rapid rise she may have left a few burned fingers behind her.

That’s not the whole story but a fish can only swim through water.

The SNP's current issue with Joanna Cherry appears to be that she has raised concerns around their push on a ban on 'conversion therapy' -

"Joanna Cherry comments on conversion therapy 'deeply concerning' and seek to 'undermine' calls for ban | The Scotsman" www.scotsman.com/news/politics/joanna-cherry-comments-on-conversion-therapy-deeply-concerning-and-seek-to-undermine-calls-for-ban-3458695?amp

From the article -

'Responding, Ms Cherry said her tweet referenced concerns around the inclusion of gender identity in a ban on conversion therapy.

She said: “My tweet made it quite clear that I oppose conversion therapy as conventionally understood. As a lesbian myself, this is hardly surprising.

However, I share the concerns of many that the inclusion of the concept of ‘gender identity’ in the UK Government Bill risks threatening professionals working with children and vulnerable people who are having issues with their gender if they seek to explore the reasons for their distress.

“Over the past few years, there has been a very worrying rise in the number of children, particularly girls, becoming convinced they were ‘born in the wrong body’ and seeking to take puberty-blocking drugs and cross-sex hormones.

"This is a controversial, experimental medical treatment for a complex problem. We have also seen an increase in the number of young people who have later regretted the irreversible changes made to their bodies and who have sought to ‘detransition’.

“I am concerned that young women, particularly those who may be lesbians, should be offered alternatives to such drastic medical pathways.'

Do you think it’s just that?

She’s head and shoulders above the rest of them intellectually andI think it scares them.

Interesting @NadiaVulvokov

I don't think it's just that but MSP's of her own party (Kirsty Blackman as an example) are gunning for her over this issue and I think it's proving a useful hook on which to enveigle her out. The lack of support or even acknowledgment from the SNP over the 'credible' rape threats made against her by a party member were a stark example of that.

@Waitwhat23

The SNP's current issue with Joanna Cherry appears to be that she has raised concerns around their push on a ban on 'conversion therapy' -

"Joanna Cherry comments on conversion therapy 'deeply concerning' and seek to 'undermine' calls for ban | The Scotsman" www.scotsman.com/news/politics/joanna-cherry-comments-on-conversion-therapy-deeply-concerning-and-seek-to-undermine-calls-for-ban-3458695?amp

From the article -

'Responding, Ms Cherry said her tweet referenced concerns around the inclusion of gender identity in a ban on conversion therapy.

She said: “My tweet made it quite clear that I oppose conversion therapy as conventionally understood. As a lesbian myself, this is hardly surprising.

However, I share the concerns of many that the inclusion of the concept of ‘gender identity’ in the UK Government Bill risks threatening professionals working with children and vulnerable people who are having issues with their gender if they seek to explore the reasons for their distress.

“Over the past few years, there has been a very worrying rise in the number of children, particularly girls, becoming convinced they were ‘born in the wrong body’ and seeking to take puberty-blocking drugs and cross-sex hormones.

"This is a controversial, experimental medical treatment for a complex problem. We have also seen an increase in the number of young people who have later regretted the irreversible changes made to their bodies and who have sought to ‘detransition’.

“I am concerned that young women, particularly those who may be lesbians, should be offered alternatives to such drastic medical pathways.'

She is quoting Sex Matters on this issue: sex-matters.org/take-action/write-to-your-mp-press-pause-on-legislation-on-conversion-therapy/?mc_cid=00d09ae2a9&mc_eid=8ae636995a

If you agree, send it to your own UK MP.

I don't know specifics, but I understand that JC was involved in some not very nice behaviours in the past. However, in this current issue I have nothing but respect for her stance, her attention to publicising the issue and generally being a thorn in the side of the rest of the SNP. She comes across as very intelligent and diligent, just what they don't seem to want in the SNP.

@WouldBeGood The two other politicians she reminded me of were Salmond and Blair.

She is very clever. But there are others at least as clever as her who caw cannier about it and that plays better internally.

Who do you reckon @NadiaVulvokov? I’m intrigued by the internal politics

Angus Robertson. He is clever in a different kind of way; quieter, good at making those around him look good rather than making them feel inferior.

He plays a pretty long game, and he focusses a lot on relationships. I think his recent book was well received in Europe for example.

I do think it’s a bit of a contest about the potential leadership with him and JC

Angus Robertson is a sleekit cunt from the Salmon school of sleekit cuntery.

Joanna Cherry was very much team Salmond during the whole 'unpleasantness' which won't have worked out well for her. Many others were but a lot of them were ready to step down anyway, so she's been left a bit isolated.

Yup.

So the Westminster constituency I am in (and which JC was either shortlisted or selected for, but decided to run elsewhere) overlaps substantially with the Holyrood constituency JC wanted to contest recently but which went to AR.

There’s been a lot of focus on the requirement for any candidates holding Westminster seats needing to resign before running for the Holyrood constituency. And that that was basically that was a way of pushing JC out of the running.

But in reality a lot of people in that geographical area had been a bit burned by her before and just wanted to see commitment rather than hedging of bets. Given the Alba rumblings at the time that’s pretty understandable.

Also, look at his tweets today. Praise for Nicola, links to Washington, links to Ireland, highlighting a charity that helps people, particularly young women, walk home safely.

Much less controversial, much less headline grabbing. Very different tone. But all slowly building and strengthening affinities.

@ElephantOfRisk oh, they’re all sleekit.

She's too smart for them and they know it. She's an ever present threat to them. She's not scared of them or intimidated by the dirty tricks.
Kirsty Blackman (who doesn't have an ounce of JC ability) et al appear to be able to openly incite bullying with no apparent consequence.
Someone at the top of the party needs to intervene, however we all know that's not going to happen. Feminist to her fingertips FM apparently. Aye, right!

I’m just intrigued as to why the campaign against her has hotted up now.

The NEC involved too.

I like her because of her stance on women, same sex attraction and gender id, but I know that’s very much against the SNP line

It was noticeable on Twitter today. They really have it in for her.
Can someone tell me what sleekit means ?

@Redshoeblueshoe

It was noticeable on Twitter today. They really have it in for her. Can someone tell me what sleekit means ?

Very smooth, a bit crafty, not quite deceitful, disingenuous more like. Someone you want to watch and not in a good way.

She is far too clever for them. And of course she is also the most electable.

@ElephantOfRisk

Angus Robertson is a sleekit cunt from the Salmon school of sleekit cuntery.

His wife is worse.

Having had a quick poke around Twitter, the hashtag #istandwithjoannacherry appears to have trended sometime over the last few days as a result of the reporting about 'conversion therapy' and this seems to have upped the amount of abuse and unpleasant tweets directed at her. Out for Independence and a couple of other groups have called for her to be booted out the SNP as well. Kirsty Blackman seems to have tweeted something about how she wants 'transphobes' removed from the party. Joanna has retweeted a tweet by LGB Alliance today which will probably result in another flurry of tweets.

Thanks Flibbertigiblets that makes complete sense

Sturgeon and Cherry are similar types, in many ways; though they fundamentally disagree on many matters of policy. Cherry is one of the old guard, she isnt a sycophant, and she isnt happy to toe the 'cult of the leader' party line. Cherry has been very vocal too in her support for Salmond, which has been problematic to say the least; Sturgeon is very much a 'with or against me' leader. Cherry's approach to independence is more akin to Salmond's; they'd've have the second referendum organised by now. Sturgeon meanwhile has been content to ring every drop out of her tenure as FM - she knows a second referendum is doomed to failure (there simply isnt enough appetite for independence). Sturgeon has paid lip service to another referendum for years, because she knows it marks the end of her leadership. That lip service (along with Sturgeon's popularity) has been enough to quieten most dissent in their own ranks; but its not remotely enough in Cherry's case.