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Pray tell me the COVID rules in Scotland. I could weep I’m so confused.

39 replies

Pleasegivemeyourwisdom · 31/08/2021 20:31

That’s it really.

OP posts:
Leftphalange · 31/08/2021 20:36

As opposed to england? Main difference is you still have to wear a mask indoors here, shops etc. Unless you're drunk dancing in a nightclub though, in which case covid disappears.

ApolloandDaphne · 31/08/2021 20:37

It's pretty much the same as England but still masks in shops and moving around pubs etc. What is confusing you specifically?

dementedpixie · 31/08/2021 20:39

If you're a close contact and double jabbed or under 18y 4m you can take a PCR to release from isolation.

If the above doesn't apply you isolate for 10 days as usual

dementedpixie · 31/08/2021 20:39

And masks in shops and on public transport and in secondary schools

dementedpixie · 31/08/2021 20:40

What specifically are you confused about?

rookiemere · 31/08/2021 20:41

I grant you it's confusing to keep up with it all, but it's all in here www.gov.scot/coronavirus-covid-19/ .

Skyeheather · 31/08/2021 20:45

Also Track and Trace remains in place so if you go into a restaurant, cafe, pub, library etc you have to scan the QR code on the Check in Scotland app or leave your contact details.

GintyMcGinty · 31/08/2021 20:45

Basically the only differences are:

  1. masks are still legally enforceable
  2. masks and social distancing are still in place in secondary schools
  3. if you are a close contact of someone with covid you need to have a negative pcr and be double vaccinated to be released from isolation

Otherwise its pretty much the same as England

MaMelon · 31/08/2021 20:45

You have to wear a mask unless it’s the third Sunday in a month beginning with the letter M and you’re on your way to a football match - in which case you have to wear a yellow pompom hat instead. On the days of the week beginning with S you have to be 1.5 metres away from someone but all other days it’s 2m - unless you’re in the supermarket, in which case it’s 3m - or 75cm if your name begins with the letter T. When you’re in a pub you don’t have to wear a mask unless you’re drunk and you have to sanitise your hands unless you choose not to. On public transport staff won’t enforce mask wearing but if someone isn’t wearing a mask you can call the British Transport Police. You can’t have more than 40 people at a private gathering unless a minimum of 3 of you are carrying guinea pigs.

It’s quite simple really.

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 31/08/2021 20:46

Technically you're supposed to wear a face covering in any public indoor space I think (shops, public transport, libraries etc.), unless you're exempt or under 12 (although you self -ID as exempt and in practice many people have stopped wearing masks anyway). But not if you're being active (so gyms and night clubs exempt) and not if you're eating/drinking (so restaurants OK unless you're going to the loo, drinking at the bar OK). Officially there are no longer limits on numbers and no requirements for distancing etc. Unofficially, a lot of places (mostly council run) are still doing it anyway. No restraints on socialising in homes or travel and all businesses allowed to open. Mass gatherings going ahead with the relevant council approvals.

If you have one of the three COVID symptoms (fever, cough, loss of smell) you have to isolate and get a PCR test - if this is negative you get on with your life, if it's positive you have to isolate for 10 days. If you're IDd as a close contact you can go about your business after a negative PCR test as long as you are double jagged or under 18. Under 5s don't need the test and are ignored as close contacts unless they have one of the three official symptoms themselves.

Workplaces are advised to have staff work from home but it's not compulsory and essentially is left up to the individual business. There is various guidance on rules in workplaces, but as far as I can tell things like masks are left to the individual business too. Most businesses seem to be blending staff back into the office.

Schools are the worse off by far. All mitigations remain in place so no assemblies, school plays etc., masks to be worn making teaching/learning hard, staggered start/stop times etc.

This is what I think the rules are currently, although I wouldn't be surprised if I have it wrong.

HappyBirthdayMrPresident · 31/08/2021 20:58

MaMelon 🤣

latissimusdorsi · 31/08/2021 21:58

I think @MaMelon clearly works for Public health Scotland

Itsinthetreesitscoming · 01/09/2021 08:29

Also confused - am I right in thinking children (ie under 18s) don't have to self isolate if they have been in contact with a positive case now, unless they are a close contact, eg living with someone who tested positive? Can anyone link to this info?

MaMelon · 01/09/2021 08:32

@latissimusdorsi

I think *@MaMelon* clearly works for Public health Scotland
I am saying nothing… Wink
Itsinthetreesitscoming · 01/09/2021 08:32

I have found clarification for anyone interested: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-58381883

dementedpixie · 01/09/2021 08:33

Under 18s need to do a PCR test if they are a close contact and if its negative they don't need to isolate

www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-test-and-protect/ think info is in here

Itsinthetreesitscoming · 01/09/2021 08:36

Thanks. DC was in contact with someone - sat next to them for 10 mins at the weekend, and they have now tested positive. By my reading of the rules, I don't think self isolation is required.

dementedpixie · 01/09/2021 09:09

Unless test and protect tell her to then she doesn't have to

MaMelon · 01/09/2021 09:38

As @dementedpixie says, no, she doesn’t need to isolate now - only if she develops symptoms, tests positive herself or test and protect tell her to

ResilienceWanker · 01/09/2021 10:08

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us

Technically you're supposed to wear a face covering in any public indoor space I think (shops, public transport, libraries etc.), unless you're exempt or under 12 (although you self -ID as exempt and in practice many people have stopped wearing masks anyway). But not if you're being active (so gyms and night clubs exempt) and not if you're eating/drinking (so restaurants OK unless you're going to the loo, drinking at the bar OK). Officially there are no longer limits on numbers and no requirements for distancing etc. Unofficially, a lot of places (mostly council run) are still doing it anyway. No restraints on socialising in homes or travel and all businesses allowed to open. Mass gatherings going ahead with the relevant council approvals.

If you have one of the three COVID symptoms (fever, cough, loss of smell) you have to isolate and get a PCR test - if this is negative you get on with your life, if it's positive you have to isolate for 10 days. If you're IDd as a close contact you can go about your business after a negative PCR test as long as you are double jagged or under 18. Under 5s don't need the test and are ignored as close contacts unless they have one of the three official symptoms themselves.

Workplaces are advised to have staff work from home but it's not compulsory and essentially is left up to the individual business. There is various guidance on rules in workplaces, but as far as I can tell things like masks are left to the individual business too. Most businesses seem to be blending staff back into the office.

Schools are the worse off by far. All mitigations remain in place so no assemblies, school plays etc., masks to be worn making teaching/learning hard, staggered start/stop times etc.

This is what I think the rules are currently, although I wouldn't be surprised if I have it wrong.

I think this is a pretty accurate summary. But frankly, it all makes about as much sense as mamelon's version, which is much simpler Grin

Re close contacts in school, in theory test & protect would phone the positive child (or their parent) and ask for names/ phone numbers of any close contacts and then get in touch with the close contact. Formally I think close contacts are still anyone you've been within a metre of for more than 15 mins, or face to face for any length of time, which would include a lot of school situations. In practice of course, the child may not even know the first name of the child they wrestled to the ground in playtime, or the surname of their classmate who they worked with on a table all afternoon, and definitely not their (Parent's) phone number. Or, if it's anything like DS, totally forgets everything that happened over the course of the day apart from "we had ice cream for lunch and Carl did a really smelly fart".

And of course, the school isn't able to tell the parent the phone number for John Smiths's mum (personal data), so they can let T & P know, and it's not the schools responsibility any more to let John's mum know. So unless the parents already know each other by sight, and tell each other informally, close contacts may never even know they are close contacts. Which is a bit weird.

I think this is the reason they are saying school contacts are now just siblings, anyone who's had a sleepover and anyone who's been snogging the positive child - which you'd hope everyone would have all the relevant details of. But it's hardly the most comprehensive contact tracing, if they are still trying to cut cases by identifying all relevant contacts.

tiredoftiers · 01/09/2021 10:39

Nope.

If you live with the positive case can you get out, if you are double jagged and test negative?

Anyone know the answer?

ResilienceWanker · 01/09/2021 11:48

Yes tired. Even if you're in the same household, once you have a negative PCR you can leave isolation if you are under 18 or double jagged. Unless you get any of the 3 symptoms yourself - then you need to isolate and test again.

JudgeRindersMinder · 01/09/2021 11:52

Fuck knows! I’m just going with my usual mantra of “don’t be a knob”

GintyMcGinty · 01/09/2021 12:13

@tiredoftiers

Nope.

If you live with the positive case can you get out, if you are double jagged and test negative?

Anyone know the answer?

Yes as long as double jagged with a negative PCR test. Must be pcr not lateral flow.