Nhs pay rise?

[Ginmakesitallok]

Has anyone seen the actual proposal re pay rise for Scottish nhs workers??

NHS staff have job security and very good pensions. If you want them to get a bigger rise as well. Find that's up to you. Vote SNP.

So they should never ever receive a payrise?

A lot of people have lost jobs and seen their income dwindle, you can't compare this to other times as it's not been an ordinary year. Hope that helps your understanding. If there was extra money on the pot, I'd rather it had gone to the worst off over the covid crisis.

Your objection seems to be if you have job security you shouldn’t get a pay award?

And I’ll ask you again precovid plenty other people had secure well paid jobs,should they too have been grateful and not given a pay award

Nobody is saying that the nhs staff shouldn't get a pay rise....straw man alert!

No my objection (repeating again for your sake) is that the extra money that seems to be available should go to those who've been worse off recently.

And nobody is saying anyone has to be grateful for not receiving a pay award - honestly yet more nonsense.

I think saying it’s not a good idea is essentially saying they shouldn’t get it?

I think this is well deserved and timely. Bands 1-4 in NHS are particularly poorly paid and the shift patterns can be tough going.

Even the NHS who haven't been frontline fighting covid many have been redeployed to other duties cleaning, porters, track and tracers, vaccinators etc learning new skills and adapting to new departments very quickly, mostly without complaint and certainly without reward, going above and beyond.

I really do feel for other people who have had incomes affected by the pandemic but we shouldn't take away from NHS staff just because others are worse off or struggling. That's a seperate issue.

No, and certainly not never, but as I said several times the pot of money could've been better distributed to target those more in need. If you look at what's happened to income in younger groups in the last year it is shocking.

Absolutely nothing stopping anyone applying for an nhs job if they covet the pension and job security

Be sure to set years aside to,train, and a direct debit to repay your student debts

Ohh and dont plan your activity diary yet as the shifts, bank holidays and weekends will see To that

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The agenda for change agreement was for the period 2018-2021 and was due to be renegotiated at this time anyway. As someone on one of the lower pays ales and part time at that, I'm delighted with the payrise as are my colleagues.

And the pensions aren't that great nowadays; career average as opposed to final salary.

Plus I pay 10% of my salary in to it; much more than many private pension contribution (my partner pays about 6%)

Where do people get this myth about great NHS pensions? Going on our projected pensions neither me or or partner will be able to retire comfortably and we will have been paying in since our early 20s and my yearly retirement income at 65 will be an estimated £6170 😂.

It’s a daily mail trope that pops up, often prefixed with gold plated

my yearly retirement income at 65 will be an estimated £6170
Pluse state pension at 67 of about 8,000 or more

To go back to an earlier point this rise is for bands 1-7 who make up the majority of and the lowest paid part of the nhs workforce. It does not cover the other 5 bands (8a-8d and band 9). They get £800 more so at best 1.5%.

Agenda for change was supposed to set a fair pay system across everyone. I don’t think it’s right they have de-coupled it. I’m actually really annoyed at the principle of this and the erosion of the agenda for change system.

@marygubbins can you explain a bit more about this this erodes agenda for change? Genuine question.

So when agenda for change was brought in in the early 2000s each job role was considered in terms of physical exertion , skill, length spent training etc and matched to a job band. So a physio and a lab scientist say whose jobs are just as skilled/challenging and take as much training are then paid the same.

The idea was the bands reflect fair pay for what you do and were all set. So those on band 8a were acknowledged to have jobs that were “worth” (approx???) 20% more pay than band 7. But if 7s get a 4% increase and 8as get 1.5% it erodes the system.

Does that make sense? Such a big deal was made at the time about it being fairer snd more equitable and this to me seems to undermine all that.

Foreign workers probably fill nurse roles rather than senior/ admin roles so that might be where they need to encourage people to stay on.

Yes that makes sense. But also in cash terms a % rise is worth much more ££ to higher paid staff, so it makes sense to me that the lower bands get a higher % rise.

E.g someone of £24 will get a 4% rise, that's about £960 raise. But someone earning £60k getting 1.5% raise is getting around £900 raise, so in cash terms similar amount. If the £60k person was getting 4% that's £2400, more than double the lower bands.

In my view it doesn't erode the system it just brings the top and lower bands slightly closer together. Recognising the lower paid might need more of a boost. I think it's a equitable way to do it, I know others may disagree.

I see your point but the decision made years ago was that a £48k member of staff should be on twice what a £24k member of staff and that’s what people and the unions agreed to sign up to.

Also £800 for some staff will be below inflation. I know this isn’t a popular view and the unions won’t fight it but if you have a universal pay structure you should stick to it.

Band 7s will get £1700 and 8as £800 - I just don’t see that as fair given the likely different level of responsibility.

@MaryGubbins

Band 7s will get £1700 and 8as £800 - I just don’t see that as fair given the likely different level of responsibility.

I agree.

@MaryGubbins

Band 7s will get £1700 and 8as £800 - I just don’t see that as fair given the likely different level of responsibility.

According to the memo I've seen 8as and 8bs are getting 2% and it's 8c and above that are getting £800. So band 7s are benefiting most from the pay rise and it does narrow the gap between top 7 and new 8a. But in my profession I have to say higher grade doesn't necessarily dictate harder work or more responsibility. I worked harder as a 6 than I do as a 7, and I have more responsibilities than some 8as. AfC has been a mess for ages.