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kamalasshaman · 2021-01-25T21:43:08+00:00

At a time when polls are showing unprecedented support for independence and even John Curtice agrees the polls are clear, why is Scotsnet such a bastion of unionist opinions? Is it just due to the demographic of Mumsnet? Why has this site become such a right wing enclave?

derxa · 02/02/2021 10:33

@ssd

The gender stuff bores the arse off me.

I think the very opposite.

Jodri · 02/02/2021 10:39

@titsbumfannythelot I agree!

annabelindajane · 02/02/2021 10:45

I wonder which parts of the country they poll in ?

Has anyone in Orkney , Western isles or Shetland been asked?

NotAnActualSheep · 02/02/2021 10:51

DH was polled last year (phonecall) . Alongside the independence question he was asked how well the various Scottish party leaders were doing. He had to check who Jackson Carlaw was. Shortly after, JC resigned. I hold DH wholly responsible for that .

WaxOnFeckOff · 02/02/2021 11:00

I don't anyone was questioning the integrity of what is essentially a random sample of a small number of people who may or may not be truthful about what they'd vote and that view might change from day to day. It's not an election. The polls can be wrong either way, you can statistic the hell out of it but un the the end it's all down to people being people.

My personal view is that you cannot take such drastic steps based on a small margin e.g. the brexit vote. You can maintain the status quo on a small margin, but I think a major change should either have a larger degree of the vote than just being over 50%, or a dual vote where it is repeated a year or so later. All should have a minimum amount of the electorate voting. Or you make it over 50% of the electorate rather than 50% of voters.

TheWhiffThatKeepsOnGiving · 02/02/2021 11:10

Independence is not inevitable. The silent majority (silent because of the appalling hatred directed towards them) will vote NO again, and yet again the politicians and the YES campaign will not understand why.

frasersmummy · 02/02/2021 13:48

you can frame a poll to get the answer you want

I know this is fiction .. but watch it .. it proves the point quite nicely

annabelindajane · 02/02/2021 14:31

@TheWhiffThatKeepsOnGiving

Independence is not inevitable. The silent majority (silent because of the appalling hatred directed towards them) will vote NO again, and yet again the politicians and the YES campaign will not understand why.

What would be interesting ( and not sure it could happen) is for those who are desperate for independence list their reasons ( and it couldn’t be “just that things would be better and everything will be sorted” ) and those of us who prefer being part of the Uk list their reasons . Just lists without any abuse or either side taking each other apart . ( We can do that later😂)

Sarahandduck18 · 03/02/2021 22:35

Independence is inevitable.

The majority do now want independence. There is no silent majority of unionists anymore. They are in terminal decline.

The abuse, as demonstrated in posts above where yes supporters are told to ‘stfu’ is more directed towards independence advocates than unionists.

PersonaNonGarter · 03/02/2021 22:52

Independence is inevitable.

Nope. We both know you say this more in hope than in belief

Bytheloch · 03/02/2021 23:16

The majority do now want independence. There is no silent majority of unionists anymore. They are in terminal decline.

They still exist. They are just planning to silently sell up and regretfully leave Scotland, should a referendum happen anytime soon .

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 03/02/2021 23:21

I don't think independence is inevitable at all. The polls are still pretty close and I think there are a lot of 'soft' Yes voters who have been impressed with NS's performance during the pandemic and so supported it when asked that specific question, but now the gloss has rubbed off a bit and more people are realising that perhaps her handling wasn't that great after all. Couple that with the gender stuff, the corruption in the SNP, and the economic forecast and I don't think it's at all certain that a majority would support independence.

PinkyParrot · 04/02/2021 06:33

Who thought we would Brexit - not even the Brexiteers
Who thought the last Indyref would lead to Independence - a lot of Scottish voters
Who thinks this inderef will be successful - who knows?

annabelindajane · 04/02/2021 11:55

We live in a fantastic country ( uk ) and are lucky to have a powerhouse in London helping to fund it. One of my neighbours a “died in wool Scot “
says the independence seekers he knows have chips on their shoulders
about the English and just permanently need a bone to chew on .

The great thing about Brexit and all the “promises” is that we’ll know to drill down into the detail which at present doesn’t hold up.

StarryEyeSurprise · 04/02/2021 12:09

And this is why we're not going to get independence.

You realise that child poverty is so high in the UK that unicef did an investigation into it and the charity are also feeding hungry children in Southwark?

You realise that simultaneously, the Government gave billions of pounds to friends and family for 'ppe'. Some have became millionaires from it.

How do you align your comment with this reality?

LexMitior · 04/02/2021 12:21

Well it looks like even if the SNP win an epic majority in May’s elections it will not matter because Boris Johnson can just let them boil for as many years as he likes.

Yes totally aware that you could do a Catalonia and run a referendum, but the advocate of that, Cherry has just been sacked (Tories very happy about that) and she would have been the one to make the arguments as to its legal validity.

Johnson is going to keep with this line and do nothing. It’s literally his MO and if he doesn’t actually have to in law he’s going to ignore NS and the SNP.

This pays some benefits - look at the SNP taking lumps out of each other. Literally the best situation that he could have, given that he’s so massively unpopular in Scotland himself.

anon444877 · 04/02/2021 12:23

How is child poverty (in Edinburgh the major driver of poverty is housing costs) going to be helped by losing income, trade, stability, employment prospects through independence?

A huge house building programme, more subsidies for housing costs - there are many things that will help child poverty but nationalism isn't going to.

Graffitiqueen · 04/02/2021 12:42

@StarryEyeSurprise according to the SNPs own growth commission, there would be turbo austerity for 25 years just to get back to the position we're in just now. If that's how bad they're saying it will be and they're trying to persuade people to vote for it. how bad will it actually be in reality?!?!?

How do you align your comment with that reality?

florafoxtrot · 04/02/2021 12:53

"independence seekers he knows have chips on their shoulders
about the English and just permanently need a bone to chew on"

How utterly offensive.

Scottishskifun · 04/02/2021 12:57

Many of my friends who voted yes have said its not the time with the economy in such a poor state and the cost of it.

About 3 months ago I really liked NS thought she was doing a brilliant job mostly with the pandemic and then the focus on independence came out and the slow vaccine roll out and I changed.
Any party which is prepared to plunge the very fragile economy further into the depths isn't doing so for the people who live there just their own steadfast principle. Which IMO in a pandemic is completely wrong and reckless

annabelindajane · 04/02/2021 13:15

@Scottishskifun

Many of my friends who voted yes have said its not the time with the economy in such a poor state and the cost of it.

About 3 months ago I really liked NS thought she was doing a brilliant job mostly with the pandemic and then the focus on independence came out and the slow vaccine roll out and I changed.
Any party which is prepared to plunge the very fragile economy further into the depths isn't doing so for the people who live there just their own steadfast principle. Which IMO in a pandemic is completely wrong and reckless

Agree with this . Nationalism won’t help child poverty and as we’ve discussed elsewhere there’s multiple issues involved here. Eire with similar population has slightly more children living in poverty than Scotland has so there’s the proof that it won’t solve that issue .

annabelindajane · 04/02/2021 13:22

[quote Graffitiqueen]@StarryEyeSurprise according to the SNPs own growth commission, there would be turbo austerity for 25 years just to get back to the position we're in just now. If that's how bad they're saying it will be and they're trying to persuade people to vote for it. how bad will it actually be in reality?!?!?

How do you align your comment with that reality?[/quote]
Great that the SNP admit that austerity will be order of the day . Suspect it needs spelling out in much greater detail. First of all tell the young that apart from poorest they will be charged for University. Might make some of them think twice.

StarryEyeSurprise · 04/02/2021 13:38

[quote Graffitiqueen]@StarryEyeSurprise according to the SNPs own growth commission, there would be turbo austerity for 25 years just to get back to the position we're in just now. If that's how bad they're saying it will be and they're trying to persuade people to vote for it. how bad will it actually be in reality?!?!?

How do you align your comment with that reality?[/quote]
'Turbo austerity for 25 years to get back to the position we're in now' - please do send me a screenshot as I've read the growth report and don't recall that being in it.

Disclaimer - my first degree was in Economics so contrary to popular opinion on Mumsnet, I'm quite sure that my wee pro indy brain can handle the numbers.

annabelindajane · 04/02/2021 13:51

How do the independence supporters believe the fiscal side of independence will work ? What are you being told? Genuine query .
Maybe one for Starry eye surprise?

makingitupaswegoon · 04/02/2021 16:01

@annabelindajane - I would like to know this too. A lot of yes voters always skirt around this.

I have just read the review of adult social care provision - guess what - the Scot Gov are proposing a national care service funded by - oh yes, a number of different types of taxation - raising income tax, new local taxation, a mandatory social care taxation

At some point it will make no sense for me to actually go out to work ... I would be better off being a SAHP. And have a lot less stress, and have a much nicer life ...