Scotsnet does not represent Scotland

[kamalasshaman]

At a time when polls are showing unprecedented support for independence and even John Curtice agrees the polls are clear, why is Scotsnet such a bastion of unionist opinions? Is it just due to the demographic of Mumsnet? Why has this site become such a right wing enclave?

@CayrolBaaaskin you cannot compare Ireland situation .
There will be border controls from scotland to uk, if scotland join eu , how can you think there won't otherwise people can fly fo scotland and then just drive over the botder.
Like uk now has stricter rules going to eu the same will apply , that is what being independent is about.

The fact is that this country hasn't voted for a Tory Government for 65 years. Yet too often ( as is the case currently) we're lumbered with one. That is not democracy. Does it happen in any other country in the world bar the UK?

Re the unity and division.. I've attended many independence marches and on all there were people of every colour and flags from many nationalities and all joining in the carnival atmosphere together.

Now, I'm sure we've all seen the racist, ugly face of British Nationalism which happens close to home and in other countries. Around the referendum, people were doing nazi salutes whilst singing Rule Britannia . Oh, and shouting in my face whilst walking home from work and battering people for fun.

Even this summer, we had the ugly face of British Nationalists chasing a photographer due to his perceived nationality and he had to leave George Sq as he was attacked ( he said in the newspaper interview that he'd never felt so scared in his life and the police , he said, basically told him he should not have been there). Hmm.

The UK is divided and it's definitely not due to Scotland wanting full fiscal powers. Of course, not all unionists are racist but the division is well entrenched and that's through the UK Government being led by a racist and their racist policies such as creating a ' hostile environment ', driving around with billboards of black people with a phone number to phone, refusing to allow refugee children to have their family join them here and other disgusting strategies. You'd be a fool not to realise that that is what stirrs division.and hatred of others.

I do not want any part of it. Looking to America, hopefully Brexit is Britain's rock bottom moment just like America's shameful Capitol Hill moment. However, I can see it happening again next summer, just like we saw last summer- the far right don't even care to hide themselves and their disgusting ways.

Is independence a quick fix for the Rule Britannia/Nazi mob in Scotland? No..there is great work going on, through charities that I've worked with like Nil By Mouth but it's surely a step in the right direction to separate ourselves from the UK Government.

As an equal partner to England, we can hopefully spur people living there to bin voting for the Tories like we have here.


Once in a generation is mentioned in the white paper.

And if we're going to talk about racism, what did you think of the banners nats have been seen with wanting the English out of Scotland. Don't you think the Tory scum out banners with a logo from a racist organisation on them carried at the marches also showed an ugly side to the nationalists?

@CayrolBaaaskin yes once in a generation was totally said surely you mist know that.
Surely going forward before you vote you want all the facts and figures, no point saying they are unknown and in next breath scotland are a rich country etc.
A realistic timescale of getting back into europe ( think I read 5-6 years)
You must want to know roughly what your voting for and being in the eu means financially contributing.
There are clearly people who just want to get away from the english then claim people who voted brexit are racist/ xenophobic.
Lets remember a lot of Scottish voted leave it wasn't a tiny number.
Just surely after Brexit you want an idea of what a independent scotland would mean .

@StarryEyeSurprise neither did a lot of england !!! Even if independent a lot could not vote for one party but still be lumbered with them, unless parties get 100% of the vote someone always gets what they don't want .

@Graffitiqueen

 Once in a generation is mentioned in the white paper.

Really? In the Edinburgh agreement it was stated (and signed by the SG and UK Government) that the agreement does not prevent another referendum.

@StarryEyeSurprise my friends mum is english living in scotland for nearly 50 years as married to a scottish man and she has had plenty of abuse from people in Scotland and last ref she felt unsafe ? Does that mean all scottish people are like that ? No so don't tar all the uk by a minority either.

@StarryEyeSurprise may say it doesn't stop another one doesn't say every year.
The once in a generation was well mentioned many a time,

Oh and I'm not saying that everyone who voted for Brexit are racist at all and apologies if I've been unclear. It's the explosion of the far right around the UK Government's strategies and rhetoric that they used for gaining Brexit, which stinks.

Have we had one every year? I must have missed them then.

@StarryEyeSurprise as an english person I don't feel Scotland is doing much different , I think Nicola Sturgeon comes off very anti englsih ? We can all have perceptions

@StarryEyeSurprise no and you know I never said that don't try and twist things.
Use balanced arguments but you know once in a generation was used. It was a phrase said all the time.

@StarryEyeSurprise

Yes it does say it in the white paper.
Here's a link to it

www.gov.scot/publications/scotlands-future/pages/15/

StarryEyeSurprise, this is one of the things I hated about the referendum - the idea that if you aren't for Yes then you are basically a rascist, ugly, British nationalist. You're not going to convert people with that sort of attitude.

I think the SNP have played an absolute blinder in portraying Scotland and Scots as 'better' than the English - fairer, kinder etc., when in fact, generally, we're no better, no worse. There is racism, misogyny, sexism, ism ism ism in Scotland, just as much as there is in the rest of the UK.

I voted No in the last referendum for pretty much the same reasons as I voted to Remain in the EU referendum and it had feck all to do with British nationalism and racism. But thanks for insinuating anyone who voted No is a Nazi .

@StarryEyeSurprise do you claim about racism and then say you are looking to move to america, oh the irony !!

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@StarryEyeSurprise may say it doesn't stop another one doesn't say every year.
The once in a generation was well mentioned many a time, [/quote]
'Every year' ,

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@StarryEyeSurprise do you claim about racism and then say you are looking to move to america, oh the irony !![/quote]
I'm not moving to America. I made the comparison between the ugly, face of British and American far right and them being emboldened by the Trump / Johnson Governments.

@StarryEyeSurprise it was a use if phrase not a fact, you claimed there was never a mention of once on a generation and was something signed to say otherwise , merely pointed out that just because there can be another one , doesn't mean just as and whenz

@StarryEyeSurprise if you think there is no far right in any other country then think again. You think Scotland is exempt and anti english things are ok ?

@reprehensibleme

StarryEyeSurprise, this is one of the things I hated about the referendum - the idea that if you aren't for Yes then you are basically a rascist, ugly, British nationalist. You're not going to convert people with that sort of attitude.

I think the SNP have played an absolute blinder in portraying Scotland and Scots as 'better' than the English - fairer, kinder etc., when in fact, generally, we're no better, no worse. There is racism, misogyny, sexism, ism ism ism in Scotland, just as much as there is in the rest of the UK.

I voted No in the last referendum for pretty much the same reasons as I voted to Remain in the EU referendum and it had feck all to do with British nationalism and racism. But thanks for insinuating anyone who voted No is a Nazi .

I'm not trying to 'convert ' anyone and I'm not saying that you are racist or a nazi if you vote no to an independent Scotland.

I am saying, in response to pps re division, that the UK is a HUGELY divided country and spoke about my personal experiences and feelings

That's allowed, yes?

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@StarryEyeSurprise if you think there is no far right in any other country then think again. You think Scotland is exempt and anti english things are ok ?[/quote]
Did you not read my comment? I spoke about Scotland.

What I don't get is why, when there are only very small differences (literally 1% in some issues in the Social Attitudes surveys) between English and Scottish attitudes to issues like immigration and Europe do English people vote so differently? Is voting Tory a bad habit they need cured of?
We also need to be wary of exagerrating the differences, making policies to suit a fantasy electorate rather than the real one is likely to limit success as well as causing mass cognitive dissonance.
natcen.ac.uk/our-research/research/do-scotland-and-england-wales-have-different-views-about-immigration/

@StarryEyeSurprise i agree the country is hugely divided but the divides are between rich and poor, urban and rural, north and south more than Scottish and English.

Wbeezer, thanks, that's really interesting.

We were having a family discussion (very civilised!) at the time of the referendum and DNephew (aged 20) stated that the Scots were not rascist like the English...... During the course of the conversation it was pointed out to him that Scotland didn't have anywhere near the number of immigrants of say West Yorkshire or Lincolnshire, so it was difficult to say what the local response would be to similar immigration numbers and also we had actually witnessed some fairly nasty rascism against eastern european agricultural workers in Angus a few years perviously.