A thread for people who admire and like Nicola Sturgeon

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Just what it says really. I think she's done a great job. She has made mistakes and owned them. She has taken advice and is willing to change policy where necessary. I think she's done pretty well and our virus figures are improving daily. So a thread for some positive things!

I like her. I think she's stepped up and done a good job in regards to COVID-19.

We can't have a workforce if we are all dead/sick.

She opened retail and mitigated risk by making face coverings compulsory, yet that is wrong?

What exactly should she have done, allowed shops to open and have a free for all? If the price for opening shops and prioritising these jobs is people wearing face coverings isn't that showing she cares about jobs and those against the face coverings are the ones who don't care about anyone other than themselves?

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Hmm, I'm hoping for some positive posts, maybe *@Arkadia* this isn't the thread for you.

So in what way is this looking for 'debate'?

Titiana I feel you're projecting somewhat.

I like Nicola, I've voted SNP for many years and would be in favour of an independent Scotland. I think she's done a good job during the Covid crisis. I'm less happy about the way her government is throwing women's rights under the bus and allowing the legal definition of "woman" to be changed to pander to a small minority though.

Well I did start a thread for Keir Starmer views but was soliciting good and bad, even though I’m a fan.

But if you want a safe space for Nicola go ahead, I don’t think she needs protection though.

She I actually doing an appalling job on womens rights

I think she's done ok but has made mistakes which she never gets called to account for. The horrendous death rate in care homes? Worse in Scotland than anywhere else. Lack of action on the 2018 Pandemic exercise which highlighted a shortage of PPE if such a thing should occur for real?
The whole Alex Salmond think STINKS.
The fact the Chief Exec of the party is her own husband who rides shotgun for her and deflects any challenges to her authority.
She comes over better than BJ but thats a bloody low bar against which to measure oneself. And yes, I live in Scotland

We won’t all be dead or sick. She’s made you think that but the evidence is that this disease is not a serious threat to working age population and therefore the response needs to be nuanced and balanced against very real and serious hardships caused by unemployment.

I really like her. She is straight talking, and her agenda about coronavirus has been clear - drive the numbers into the ground, then you can open back up in a much safer way and manage new infections. I trust that she is genuinely doing what she says she is. I'm a key worker and this is the right approach in my view. I'll be very surprised if England don't end up back in a series of local lockdowns, and I'd think in England there is a high chance of a national lockdown again over winter. Scotland has a much better chance, in my opinion, and that's because of the approach she has taken

I'm not going to come on and disagree here OP. However I don't have a problem with people coming on posts I've made criticising NS and the SNP or start whinging about it. It's an open forum, trying to create an echo chamber is what is wrong with the whole situation. I don't think it's likely that anyone on here us going to be swayed one way or the other but to shut down any views that don't chime with your own is dangerous, am I the only one that thinks that?

I will read posts from supporters and I'll mostly think it's gobshite (as I'm sure you think the other way round) but I find it interesting and I try not to get angry about it nowadays.

As a pp says, there are plenty of places where you can worship the wonders of NS and SNP, not so many where non supporters can also air their views.

You can't tell people which threads they can post on and which they can't. I'll leave you to it now.

Well @WaxOnFeckOff there's 2 threads now in scotsnet where supporters of the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon are being trashed. I'm actually fed up with it. It would be good to have some positivity. And the idea of a safe space on Mumsnet is not new, look at the Brexit and feminism threads where people are left to express their opinions without people getting into arguments on every thread. Would it be too much to ask ? You can have a thread hating her and promise I will leave you to it.

But this is Scotsnet not SNPnet. We can discuss all things Scottish.

I don't mind people having a different opinion from me and if people want to say why they don't like NS/SNP that's fine and debate is welcome but please try to keep things civil, there is no need for nastiness (from either side). We can discuss the differences in opinion sensibly without it turning into a slagging match and while one side might not sway the other it is good to hear how others think or interpret what is being said. Both sides should be open to listening to the other's opinion and considering it without just shutting it down as you are pro/anti NS/SNP/independence

I wasn't going to come back on the thread as I was going to leave you to it, but as you've tagged me, I will respond.

I wouldn't put up a thread simply saying I hate her though and one of the threads you refer to is mine. i'd put up a thread about something in particular and people can post or not as they see fit.

I'm not going to stop people debating any of the points on mine or any other thread. Plenty of SNP supporters have come onto those threads and slagged off people for not liking what the SNP do.

You don't need a "safe space" for FFS though - what do you think is going to happen? If you have actual facts you want to debate with then that's fine. If you just want to state how you feel. also fine, but feelings aren't facts on either side of the debate and we are allowed to feel what we feel, we may not always be able to express that due to law.

As I've said before, there is something wrong in society if people don't challenge those in power (whoever they may be) and those that try to suppress challenge are equally as bad.

I've never in my life seen anything posted by someone I might support politically and thought "oh, i better share that with all my random friends even if I don't know if they also support what I do" yet that's what happens by SNP supporters all the time. Never by anyone else.

As for the rest, it's really fucking sinister, all of it.

oh, and if you want positivity then i'll also repeat what I've said on other threads, NS is an effective communicator and clever politician. If only she'd concentrated her efforts on running the country and proving that it can be done by her party then she may have won more hearts and minds instead of division.

I just don't happen to agree with her, her party or like any of her methods. I'll leave it at that.

Thank you UpStar. She's a fantastic role model for young girls. She holds herself so well and works like an absolute Trojan. She cares about the people of Scotland. Did you see her briefing today? On fire. She's not holding back anymore and she's kept the deaths in Scotland low by making difficult decisions ( and still is).

The sorry lot in WM look like rabbits in the headlights. They don't have a clue! Terrifying that London's r rate is 1 and scientists are saying the rest of England could follow and they're easing lockdown whilst still averaging 150 deaths a day. I'm so worried for my friends and family there I can't tell you.
Anyway and yes, I would love a night at the pub with her! 😉 She'd be a laugh!
I'm not even engaging with the trolls now.. it's what they want. Hopefully if we don 't feed them they'll go. 😉

1 - she hasn’t kept deaths in Scotland low - the per capita deaths in Scottish care homes are some of the worst

2 - she wasn’t on fire today. She was embarrassingly stroppy

3 - the issue for Scotland is not that the NHS can’t cope with the virus. The issue is the crushing economic and employment tsunami that is about to break, devastating lives

Positivity- we've done so well as a country. It has been hard, for me anyway, but for the most part I feel we've worked so well together to keep people safe. We are getting there so well done everyone!!! When do you think phase 4 will be? September maybe?

Yes, her tantrum today about air bridges was cringe-worthy and not at all statesman-like, and stood in stark contrast to Boris Johnson’s conciliatory/unifying tone later on. It’s not often that Boris gets the better of her as she is normally a great communicator (there you go, something positive), but I think he came across better today. NS came across as a bit petulant actually, especially as she’ll likely approve the same countries in a couple of weeks anyway. It made me wonder if she’s losing support a bit with the grass roots and was playing to the gallery a bit.

If I’m looking for positives, I’m glad that virus levels are very low and that it has (finally) been acknowledged that children aren’t spreaders, so my kids can hug their grandparents again. I do worry that the balance of risk overall isn’t being judged well and we’ll take a harder economic knock as a result of the much slower opening up, but actually really hope I’m wrong on that.

She’s very good but some people will criticize anything she does. No point worrying about that.

Also all the bizarre chat about how is “dangerous” to criticize her is hilarious. Don’t be so ridiculous

So, anyone who dares to criticise Sturgeon or the SNP is a troll ?
I don’t ‘hate’ anyone because, you know, I’m an intelligent adult who lives in a democracy ( at least the part of the UK in which I live is) and last time I looked, I’m allowed to critique, dissent and enjoy the power of independent thought.

I sincerely hope you don’t require any critical thinking skills in your job because like most SNP supporters, they seem to be in short supply.

And no, I don’t live in Scotland but I’m as Scottish as they come.
My extended family live in Scotland and the idea that I’m not entitled to an opinion is ridiculous.

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Titiana I feel you're projecting somewhat.

Projecting?

To those people saying she has done a good job, I really want to know what good job she has done? Testing? Care homes? NHS?

Cos I can explain why she really hasn’t.

We - the actual people staying home - have done a good job. We stayed home cos Boris told us to.

I stayed home because it was the right thing to do at the time, not because NS or BJ told me to. It's no longer necessary imho and the risk has been exaggerated.

I've got another positive thing, NS and crew successfully frightened the population of Scotland to the point where people are scared beyond the evidence and have ignored health issues and can no longer make any decisions for themselves. They were the absolute best at it.

I sincerely hope that none of the Loch Lomond crew and all the others breaking the rules weren't SNP voters? That would be the equivalent of Tory voters being told they weren't allowed to clap for the NHS - all the while Health is devolved.