From the random box of covid restrictions we now get....

[WaxOnFeckOff]

Facemasks in shops.

I mean really, what is the point now? If they were useful then the time when they were useful was months ago.

Surely the chance of catching covid in a shop is minute, the chance of then being ill is more minute and the chance of dying is vastly remote.

It just feels like it another thing to say just to keep control? I have no problem doing things that make sense and protect others, but really? Public transport where you may be in the vicinity of someone for longer seems fair enough but shops doesn't make sense.

IME so far, having a mask dangling from your neck without even being worn seems to give people carte blanche to stand less than a foot away from others.

Travelling Tabby figures - 9 new cases per day on a 7 day rolling average. 50% of cases in care homes / hospital.

Remind me why we're being told to wear masks?

I am a teacher who is keen to go back and I’m quite glad (looking at current stats) that it’s full time.

The mask wearing has really annoyed me though. Why do I need to wear it for a 20 minute shop in Sainsbury’s when I don’t need it for 5 hours in a classroom of 30 children?

Given the lack of hygiene I'm still seeing (people coughing into their hands, people coughing as they walk along the pavement, the guy in Tesco yesterday who sneezed into his hands) I fully support those who can wear masks doing so.

England made them mandatory on public transport before Scotland did, I don't know if they will for shops or if Wales or NI will, but it's not like Scotland are the only country who want people to do this, and I really don't understand the level of anger at the First Minister.

Also travelling tabby, look at where the new cases are both for the day and the week - a bit contrary to the spike talked about in D&G and Cumbria (not that Cumbria is included on the stats here)

I wondered if that meant that a higher proportion in D&G are via community transmission?

I think the story - as I heard it - was that someone was discharged from hospital in Carlisle, returned to their house in the Annan area unaware that they had Covid, and infected some of their adult children before discovering. The adult children were then tested as were their families and the people they worked with (at the fish factory in Annan) and elsewhere.

So sort of half and half - yes it was community transmission but the person who spread it picked it up in hospital.

@BananaTreeBirdie
Yes - I agree with you. The inconsistency is doing my head in. I posted the same thing on another thread about under 12s being able to mingle without SD. Again, while I think this is a good thing I cannot get my head around why it is OK for my DS to play with his friends for hours on end (and by default extended family) yet DS has to put on mask in Asda when he is only walking past people briefly and SD in queues etc. And not to mention the disaster that is going to be pubs opening (where there is no mention of masks at all)

Thanks @SockYarn, that suggests to me then, that the higher numbers of cases in other areas relates to care homes or hospitals then.

Exactly, so we are back to the vast majority of infections linked to either hospital and care homes and yet the entire population are to wear masks in what were already low risk situations. Once again, if it's that important and necessary why is it starting in a weeks time? Why not start it now?

I've just been to the supermarket and about 50% of people were wearing them. I tried mine out, I found it unpleasant and it would stop me from going to the shops.

Or another version of the story was that the person works at the Carlisle hospital, caught it there and broguht it to their home in Annan.

Whichever way you dice it, there's a definite hospital connection.

Spent 20 soul destroying minutes in an empty garden centre today (to kill some time with bored children on a rainy day).

Without the mask diktat in action just now, this experience was already cold, sterile, weird, I felt like I was doing something wrong, was constantly being observed by a member of staff. I had thought I might get a coffe but the atmosphere was so horrible I decided not to and left.

These places will not survive as they are. There were maybe 3 people in the whole place and one third (me) didn’t buy anything.

Throw in masks, I won’t be going.

Business is going under in Scotland. Customer facing companies are being killed off right in front of our eyes. Does NS have a plan for what happens next, in three to six months, when no one has a job, and Scottish owned businesses are not able to survive?

Business is going under in Scotland. Customer facing companies are being killed off right in front of our eyes. Does NS have a plan for what happens next, in three to six months, when no one has a job, and Scottish owned businesses are not able to survive?

Of course there is a plan - ask for the money from WM, then stamp your feet when they say we've had our share and then of course blame the Tories/BJ and anyone else they feel like for stealing our oil and fish and whatever other crimes they can that mean that if SNP was in charge they would have the money. Does my head in.

Well obviously it will ALL be BJ and WM’s fault.

It couldn’t possibly be China’s fault. Then she’d have to give all the backhanders investment back.

Ah don't get me started on China. Not the chinese people, I take everyone as they are as far as anything is concerned, but the Chinese Government, sleekit is for once a complete understatement.

I got bored after 2 pages of whinging and haven't read the full thread but jesus what a bunch of moaners you lot are. All over the world people are wearing masks to suppress transmission and make it possible to open the economy up again. Numbers are low in Scotland because of lockdown. Lockdown is ending. Numbers will now go up again.

Wear your damn masks.

@GalesThisMorning
Wear your damn masks

If there’s one thing I am finding increasingly hard to bear in this new 2020 world it’s being aggressively told what to do by anonymous arseholes on the internet.

@GalesThisMorning why thank you for helpful input . Have a fabulous day

[quote TheMurk]@GalesThisMorning
Wear your damn masks

If there’s one thing I am finding increasingly hard to bear in this new 2020 world it’s being aggressively told what to do by anonymous arseholes on the internet.[/quote]
That may have happened in 2019 as well to be fair

Lockdown hasn't been in place for months, masks haven't been worn, i'd be interested in the figures of the masses of cases that have arisen from someone leaning too close to someone in the cereal aisle.

I am unable to articulate precisely why but the masks thing has pushed me over the edge.

I am bloody sick of being controlled, constrained and lectured. I want the government to stop legislating to control us and start being more on top of who has it, where.

DH applied to do Track and Trace and sent off endless pages of information. All he has had in return (a month after applying) is an e-mail asking if he is still interested.

How do I explain to my lonely 86 year old MiL that if she wants to go out she has to cover her face?

Why now? The virus has almost completely gone. There has been no virus at all in some areas.

Agh!! I tried to explain my anger to my (adult) kids but they just tried to placate me.

I hate being told what to do without there being a very clear reason given.

I hate being told what to do without there being a very clear reason given.

This! And I see no one else being bothered and think “is it me?”

Look at what's happening in America. The states that have allowed people to eat, drink, socialise indoors are having huge spikes in their infection rates. They are now having to go backwards and put further lockdown measures in place. So businesses that have spent money preparing to open, employees who have stopped claiming unemployment benefits - they will have massive upheaval. And now even the staunchest anti-mask freedom loving Republican governors are telling people that they really, really need to wear a mask now. What will be different in Scotland? Do you really think numbers won't rise and that's it, corona done and dusted?

Completely with you @Cismyfatarse

America has much bigger problems than people not wearing masks. If you think all it would have taken to stop the situation in the states going out of control you’ve been seriously misled as to the difference they actually make.