From the random box of covid restrictions we now get....

[WaxOnFeckOff]

Facemasks in shops.

I mean really, what is the point now? If they were useful then the time when they were useful was months ago.

Surely the chance of catching covid in a shop is minute, the chance of then being ill is more minute and the chance of dying is vastly remote.

It just feels like it another thing to say just to keep control? I have no problem doing things that make sense and protect others, but really? Public transport where you may be in the vicinity of someone for longer seems fair enough but shops doesn't make sense.

IME so far, having a mask dangling from your neck without even being worn seems to give people carte blanche to stand less than a foot away from others.

This is going to be the next infection hotspot. Mark my words.

I’ll hazard a guess it won’t if it’s been open on this basis for 3.5 months and infection rates are declining rapidly

Hem, I was being jocular. You don't remember my name after posting 2679 posts on this matter? :D

Doh! My bad 🤗

Soz @Arkadia in my defense I'm only sleeping 3 to 4 hours at the moment so in need of a nap

I forgot that farmers markets are open now. Presumably no need to wear face masks, so that could be an option for shopping for those of us who can't wear masks, although they are likely to be crowded with no social distancing....

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Im in Essex and am dreading this being brought in here

Summer 2005 Impetigo on bottom lip Caused by humidity. As told by my GP Treated with cream and antibiotics.
18 month gap then......
Jan 2007 Another flare up Same place. Due to stress Treated again with same antibiotics and cream
Four and half year gap.............July 2011 Another flare up just before school reunion caused by stress and humidity. Treated again with antibiotics and cream
Six month gap January 2012 due to stress Treated again with antibiotics and cream.
2 years and 9 months gap

October 2014
Another flare up. 23 and 24 Oct was humid and warm. Treated again with same cream and antibiotics.

Been clear now for five years and eight months I intend to keep it that way.

The bacteria that causes this THRIVES in humid weather. Under a mask in the summer is the perfect breeding ground.

It has taken me YEARS to get out of this cycle. I will NOT be attending a hair appointment anytime soon despite the fact i would bloody love to..

If they bring this in for non essential shops i wont be setting foot in them. I would rather walk around in rags with grey hair than put myself at risk of developing this skin condition again.

Incidentally its VERY contagious Its also likely i would now have to wait weeks for a GP appointment to get the antibiotics and fucidin cream which you can only get on prescription. i would NOT be stopping at home for weeks Already done that in case i have asymptomatic Covid. So it would be kind of ironic if i didnt/couldnt stay home for weeks because of an infection i would actually HAVE caused by a law thats been brought in. And i wouldnt be able to wear a mask which would rub against the weeping crusting sore i would have.

The best thing for me and others would be for me to avoid ANYWHERE that brings this in. Have stopped using public transport and wont be going to hairdressers.

Add message | Report | Message poster | QuoteHeIenaDove Sun 28-Jun-20 03:13:42
I am unable to wear foundation because of this. GPs have told me to let my skin breathe

The bacteria that causes impetigo colonises in the nose. An RGN on another thread kindly told me about hibiscrub. So with her advice and the advice of the Boots pharmacist i bought some to use to apply before i put the mask on should i ever have to go into a medical setting. But would i put myself through all this for a haircut or to go buy a top on the high street. Nope And the alternative is to risk the skin condition ive managed to keep at bay for almost six years. Im not using hibiscrub just to go bloody shopping.

Wearing a mask puts me at risk of developing a bacterial infection that i KNOW ive had five times (an infection that PHE no longer wants antibiotics prescribed for) because of a viral infection that i may or may not have.

Boots pharmacist told me masks have to be changed every half an hour because due to the moisture and bacteria that increases (yes theres the B word again) behind them, they are useless after half an hour.

So a 3 hour trip out requires six masks.

@helenadove oh no impetigo is horrible, I’ve had it a few times. I hadn’t even thought about masks making it come back :( oh well that’ll be a joy to behold :(

Walked past a barbers in town on Saturday and no masks or visors being worn.

No one seemed bothered. Just checked local fb groups and no one has said a word.
They had plenty to say when some people wernt wearing masks on buses even when it was pointed out that some will be exempt due to medical conditions. Nope Not good enough apparently.

But this barbers. Radio silence.

Amazing how a blind eye is turned when it involves something they want..............like a haircut

I didn't think hairdressers and barbers were open

Helena Dove is not in Scotland. I have contacts in Liverpool who said that Barbers they've used had a strict appointments only system with masks etc being used. One that they were aware was doing nothing got closed down by police.

My mum went shopping today. She's apparently never going again and we're talking about a woman who usually can't stop shopping. Masks featured heavily in her rant from the bus driver making a woman cry because she wasn't wearing one (medical reasons), to people not being able to hear her through one and vice versa. The hand gel in every shop also got a mention. The general gist was that it was so unpleasant that with a few exceptions (shops run by friends that she can just phone to order and pick up) she's not doing it during our "new normal".

I quite like the hand gel in every shop, Lakeland was awesome it was contact free, I feel reassured that we are being reminded of the frequency of hand hygiene. It must surely reassure the staff that hand hygiene is being observed too? I know it's not been in the supermarkets which have remained ope throughout but it was very scarce for a long time.

I quite like the hand gel in every shop

I think it's possibly because since lockdown started she's started having dermatology problems on her hands for the first time in her life that she's grumpy about hand gel. She gets her shopping delivered because she's widowed and can't drive so hasn't been shopping in ages.

It's been in Costco throughout according to dh but he's been carrying his own in a pocket. We had a lot at the start of lockdown anyway because dd is still in nappies and I liked it for changes without access to a sink. Had a bottle in my handbag, one in both nappy bags, two in the car (glove box and first aid kit in boot) and 1 big bottle in the bathroom.

I haven't been in a shop since early march, it's surprising how little I miss shopping but I guess people opting out will hardly help the economy.

I was really nervous about shopping but it's now a routine.

All supermarkets have staff cleaning trolleys and plenty hand gels.

I'm getting geared up for masks on Friday though although I don't spend any longer than an hour in any one shop. Needs must though

oh god, that bus scenario is exactly what I fear as someone with multiple disabilities. Its not as easy as people think to claim exemption. I hope that woman will complain to the bus company.

I always make use of the hand gel in shops and always carry one in my handbag.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/clinical/clinical-specialties/prescribing/gps-should-not-prescribe-antibiotics-for-impetigo-says-nice/20039181.article

GPs should not prescribe antibiotics for impetigo, says NICE
14 August 2019 By Beth Gault

The guidelines, from NICE and Public Health England (PHE), say that GPs should recommend topical antiseptic instead of antibiotics, with the aim of reducing antimicrobial resistance.

It found that antiseptics, such as hydrogen peroxide 1% cream, were just as effective as topical antibiotics and therefore should be prescribed instead.

However, the guidelines state that GPs can still prescribe an oral antibiotic if the non-bullous impetigo is widespread, or the patient is systematically unwell or at risk of complications.

Non-bullous impetigo is the more common form of skin infection, usually starting with a rash of small, pus-filled blisters, compared to bullous impetigo, which presents with sores and intact blisters, according to the British Skin Foundation.

It is highly infectious and although usually clears up within two to three weeks without treatment, it is usually treated with an antibiotic to prevent the spread of infection and speed up recovery, according to NICE.

A spokesperson from NICE said: ‘NICE now say that topical antiseptics should be offered to people with localised, non-bullous impetigo if they aren’t systemically unwell or at risk of developing any complications.

If antiseptic treatment is not suitable, or a person has widespread non-bullous impetigo, a topical antibiotic should be given instead (fusidic acid 2%). An oral antibiotic (flucloxacillin) is also an option for people with widespread non-bullous impetigo and should be given first line if the person has bullous impetigo or if they are systemically unwell or at risk of developing any complications.’

The guidance also included that GPs should not combine a topical and oral antibiotic to treat impetigo, as using both is ‘no more effective’ than using one.

It follows a pledge by the Government to cut antibiotics prescribing by a further 15%.

David Banner | GP Partner/Principal14 Aug 2019 5:21pm

I’m sure that those impetigo patients subsequently admitted with “sepsis” will be perfectly satisfied that their GP failed to prescribe an antibiotic

Nick Mann | Salaried GP15 Aug 2019 1:02pm

Facial impetigo is likely to represent URT carriage of pathogenic Staph/Strep.
Topical treatment of any kind does nothing to address this.
The patient remains a risk to themselves and to any contacts.
Cases of neumonia, sepsis and scarlet fever have increased. Who is researching the impact/harms of not treating?
Too many agenda guidelines based on too little medical evidence.

Carpe vinum! | GP Partner/Principal15 Aug 2019 1:59pm

and then what about school absence? The HPA advice is exclusion from school until 48 hours after antibiotics commenced, or until lesions have crusted and healed. So parents to keep kids off school for 2-3 weeks under the above guidance - I'm sure that's going to go down well on the school attendance record

Do you know what Public Health Scotland says about prescribing Helena? This is interesting as my DDs all had bouts as children but the English and Scottish bodies don't always hold the same views. Thankfully , our education system does not have the same draconian approach to absence as our English counterpart does.

I did try googling but couldnt find anything.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-53339151

Hardly random. Lots of recent evidence to suggest masks are pretty effective.

I just won't be going shopping. I can't cope with the idea of masks. And I hate touching all the hand gel stuff. It's all just so horrible and unnecessary. And I was looking forward to getting back to a browse round the shops.