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So, has anyone changed their mind since the last referendum?

63 replies

AgentProvocateur · 13/03/2017 21:40

Will anyone here be changing from no to yes or vice versa?

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LordPercy · 17/03/2017 20:10

Nope. Still the same.

Calyx72 · 17/03/2017 20:51

Yes before and yes now. Hard yes. Yestastic!

cdtaylornats · 17/03/2017 21:10

My No last time is now never.

TheGirlOnTheLanding · 23/03/2017 16:15

Yes last time, probably No this time. Not impressed with the economic arguments, and even less impressed that we're being told we get to stay in Europe if we vote for Indy when we'd have to apply and the conditions likely to be imposed are going to make this current government's austerity measures look generous. I'd be more inclined to vote yes if the SNP were honest with the electorate and if the shouty Yessers hadn't spent the last two years being so obnoxious to everyone who has the audacity to disagree with them. It really turned me off what I'd previously regarded as an inclusive, positive movement and made me worry for the future that people were being silenced when they voiced legitimate concerns.

scottishdiem · 23/03/2017 16:30

I was a devomax but that wasnt on the menu so I went Yes. I would still vote yes because, for me, its not about silly arguments about the SNP or Westminster. It is about where power lies and how that is best applied.

There is nothing in local, national or international politics and international relations that Scotland, as a country, needs to defer too or subject itself to Westminster control. We are different, to varying degrees on varying topics, north and south of the border. In Scotland, there is less of a need to maintain a role as a global superpower as a suitable replacement for the empire. In Scotland, there is more of a need for local and national solutions to our problems. We need to make our own choices. I would still advocate devomax over independence but that will never happen.

So I would still be Yes if I was in Scotland. I am pro-EU as pooling resources and ideas and policies is very different from withheld sovereignty that we get in the current Union. I am in Dublin now (cause of Westminster immigration rules, local Scottish ones would be a good thing - DP is from Zimbabwe) and can see and hear the ideas that the UK has for an easy border with Northern Ireland. That could work in Scotland as well so I have no truck with the idea that there will be a hard border from Gretna to Berwick Upon Tweed.

cdtaylornats · 23/03/2017 18:04

We voted to stay in the EU

Well some of us did and went on to accept democracy in both referenda.

TVHubbyClaire · 29/03/2017 14:03

I was a "no" last time which took me a bit of time to decide but I am already a definite "no" this time

cdtaylornats · 29/03/2017 14:25

so I have no truck with the idea that there will be a hard border from Gretna to Berwick Upon Tweed

The soft border in Ireland is old and established and possible because you can still block undesirables at the ferry ports. With a separate Scotland it will be a border, WTO rules for trade with England and out of the EU as well.

EchidnasPhone · 29/03/2017 14:31

I voted yes for independence last time - this time I'm voting NO. There will be no such thing as true independence whilst the EU is in such turmoil with Brexit & to then throw in independence is far too much. The SNP has said all along it will strive for another referendum so I understand why the agenda is being pushed I'm just not comfortable or confident with it. If the country votes no, then what? Nicola will have to step down & who's going to take over? Makes my head hurt.

OOAOML · 29/03/2017 14:41

I think I'd vote yes for EEA or EFTA. I don't think they will make the vote about the EU because it is clear that would be for a later stage - clearly we are not going to stay in, so there would need to be a decision on applying.

scottishdiem · 29/03/2017 14:44

cdtaylornats

Whatever is put in place for Ireland can be put in place between Scotland and England.

Flying from Edinburgh to Dublin needs an ID check. Same can be said for Edinburgh to London. No need for a VISA.

Ireland and the UK have a very limited and specific visa recognition system for onward travel. The same can work for Scotland and England. e.g. Scots going to US via London and US citizens coming to Scotland via London.

The "soft border" was hardly soft. Up to the Good Friday agreement there were military checkpoints on main border crossings and UK security forces made the remaining crossings impassable.

Since it would be hard to create a border, the common travel area is still the common sense option. It works for Ireland and the UK and can work here as well. If you really think that WTO trade rules will kick in (i.e. no agreements between Scotland and rUK upon the date of independence, no transitional deal that the UK wants for Brexit) I'd like to know why (unless you agree that Brexit will push UK to WTO rules?).

Trade with the EU is a more interesting one to be fair but we are talking about the Scotland/England border.

cdtaylornats · 29/03/2017 21:06

I think WTO rules will apply regardless of the type of Brexit. There is no particular reason to for rUK to prioritise a trade deal with Scotland, and frankly no need to.

ocelot41 · 29/03/2017 21:16

Newly back in Scotland after a spell south of the border, so didn't get to vote last time. Genuinely on the fence, but currently minded to go yes. Finding it hard to get reliable economic reports which aren't biased, as I gather there are lots of qs about relying too heavily on GERS

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