So, has anyone changed their mind since the last referendum?

[AgentProvocateur]

Will anyone here be changing from no to yes or vice versa?

well, the economic uncertainty caused by independence is going to target the most vulnerable too. It'll hit them hardest.

Harder than the cuts and the ones that will come courtesy of Brexit? I don't think that can be said with complete certainty by any side.
These days, I think it's a case of voting for possible cuts of which we can't be sure, or voting to remain in the UK and ensuring we are hit by the usual Conservative austerity plus cuts due to cost of Brexit.

Absolute No last time and a 'hard No' again. Am sick of SNP and the spending on the driving of this bloody agenda!

Scotland already has tax raising powers though to backfill money lost in cuts. Yes it can be said with certainty that independence will create more economic uncertainty - the economic consequences of Brexit cannot be avoided by Scotland because their major trading partner is leaving. Scotland leaving the UK merely adds more economic consequences into this basket - whether Scotland stays in the EU (eventually) or not.

no it may not have been the torys that personally voted for brexit but it sure as hell wasnt the people of scotland thats for sure! We voted to stay in the EU.

Then why did you say that then? I voted to stay in the UK and I voted to stay in the EU. Which we are you talking about?

No before. Still no.

scottishthistle a free education, how horrible Really? SNP have made massive cuts to FE. The threshold at which Scottish students begin repaying their student loan is lower and the length of time longer.

Hacks Ok sorry statistically the people of scotland voted to stay in the EU .. Is that better?? And i did not agree but i respected the outcome of the first vote but the situation changed and so we will vote again. I think its not very nice to speak to a stranger in that manner and be completely serious. My "never trust a tory" was meant to be a light hearted dig at horrible politics that we seem to be drawn in to. If it came across any differently i apologise as it wasnt meant hatefully.

Rogue Education is free. To actually get a student loan to help out with living whilst in education (with extremely low interest) is somehow bad ? The threshold at which students started to pay back a student loan is reasonable in my opinion it is about £17500 before you pay anything back. People pay more for a phone or netflix than they do when they pay a student loan monthly installment. The reason they pay longer is because the monthly installment is so small.

As far as i see it there is uncertainty in scottish indy ref and uncertainty in hard brexit but i know which one i choose. As i have said before everyone is entitled to think what they want its democracy.

ScottishThistle - if you can put it more like that the first time we might at least have a better debate, should indyref2 come to pass. 'Cannae trust a Tory' is spectacularly dismissive and unhelpful.

We're all just people trying to do the right thing.

Sorry thistle I misread your post. However my point about the SNP's claim that they are much more generous than rUK when it comes to funding tertiary education remains. Although they pay Scottish students fees, the students' loans and terms for paying it back compare unfavourable with the rUK system.

again though, the uncertainty felt in economic terms caused by Brexit cannot be avoided by Scotland even if the EU somehow gives us membership. People saying 'without the bastard tories we won't have austerity' - well, where is the money coming from? If you create a bigger budget deficit (already 9.5 % of GDP), will you then get into the EU? Scotland still suffers from our main trading partner's economic downturn from hard brexit which will reduce Scotland's tax revenue further. Adding independence reduces our economic diversity, loses Barnett and for what? Scotland joining the EU - we won't get a Barnett style subsidy from the EU and it's by no means clear we WILL meet the criteria for entry given the economic shocks to come.

ScottishThistle - that was a direct response to your statement that there's uncertainty in Brexit and uncertainty in Independence.

interestly approx 1/3 of those who voted yes to scottish independance also voted yes to leaving EU and according to BBC this morning eurosceptism is rising in scotland the dilemma is for those 1/3 of yes to independence voters who are keen t o leave EU will they vote for an independent scotland that then seeks to rejoin EU or will they reluctantly vote no?
There is no possibility whatsoever of scotland staying in the EU once article 50 triggered on 29th March they will have to apply to EU whether they maybe fast tracked as all rules already in place or whether the Spanish etc which are really anti breaking up EU and independance will veto it and force them to back of queue is debatable

the costs of scotland's getting EU membership are not clear either, that may reduce the appeal of the EU further - some yes voters are asserting the tories will cut barnett, that's conjecture at this point whereas it's certain this money will be lost with independence.

No then and most definitely no now.

The SNP may get a shock when they realise that not all of their core "yes" support also support staying in Europe...

I'm not scottish but I don't understand why people are angry at Nicola sturgeon, the idea of a second referendum after a huge shift in circumstances was in the snp's manifesto and is why people voted for them among other things. I think it's too early to decide one way or another, the referendum isn't for 1-2 years and we don't yet have a lot of the facts.

yes Scotland can look forward to an extended 1-2 year campaign about independence, taking the focus away from the Brexit negotiations and creating uncertainty for any firm wanting to invest in Scotland. A few reasons to be angry.

oh and of course, a minor detail, taking the show away from holding the SNP to account for their government of Scotland.

It was supposed to be a once-in-a-lifetime referendum! Now, it's every couple of years!
Canny trust the SNP!

Yes that wasn't a flip flop in their 'clear' position at all was it?

Voted yes last time. I'm currently sitting on the fence. My social media is a bit of an echo chamber so I'm trying to get all the facts. Currently swaying towards voting yes again. Also like the idea of Celtic Union

Waiting - might want to have a read about the cushioning from macro-economic shocks that Scotland currently has as part of RUK, unless this situation drastically changes by the time of the referendum, Scotland is receiving more from the RUK than it is putting in currently:

IFS is an independent think tank of economists:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/24/ifs-scotland-debts-three-times-greater-uk

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/12200495/IFS-Scotland-to-get-billions-of-English-income-tax.html

I think it'll take at least 2 years for all the facts to be available due to the shape of the Brexit deal being unknown.

Thanks NoLottery. That's really useful

Yes last time yes this time.

No last time, no this time. I voted to stay in the EU but I don't think that's going to influence how I would vote in another indyref because 1) an independent Scotland would be in a very long queue to join the EU with no guarantee that it would ever be allowed in, and 2) even if it was allowed in, it would be on terms dictated by the EU over which we in Scotland would have no realistic say. Doesn't look promising.

I voted No in both devolution referenda, no to independence and for remain.

I did not think it would be possible for me to be more anti independence and pro union than I already was but the actions of Sturgeon over the last few days and the arguments put forward by providing indy on here make me even more certain independence is a terrible idea

I would prefer to be in the U.K and the EU bt not being in the U.K is the nightmare scenario , whether or not Scotland is in Europe.