How are the other No voters voting in the EU referendum?

[SirChenjin]

I am going backwards and forwards on the EU referendum - so many pros and cons (imo) for both sides and I'm genuinely undecided, which is a first for me in an election.

However, such is my loathing for NS, the SNP, their lack of respect for the will of the Scottish people and their endless threats of another indy referendum (this time using the EU referendum as a trigger, as opposed to the wind blowing in the wrong direction or the price of fish) that I am sorely tempted to vote Out simply to reduce the number of Scots voting to stay in whilst sticking up 2 fingers to that odious woman in my own small way

Anyone else feel the same - or are you taking a more mature, pragmatic approach?

Ah, got you now

Wankers, Leave are currently in the lead aren't they? I don't think you can rely on a Remain vote at all.

I have huge doubts about how accurate the polling is going to be on this one though, a lot is going to depend on turnout and last-minute changes of mind and who is 'shy' in declaring to pollsters. It's all uncharted waters.

I'm voting Remain - I'm not swayed by either Nicola or Dave, I just think it is the best option.

Polls are showing that supporters from most parties are split on this one - I'm not sure there will be block voting.

No, I think that the promise of a 2nd indy ref will be enough to persuade the Yes voters to Remain.

I think the polls are too close to call and are unlikely to be accurate either. The leave vote will be easier to mobilise than the remain I think as there will be complacency and a lot of cant be bothered-ness to counteract. I actually think that in situations like this then a non vote should be counted as a vote for the status quo to be honest. But that wouldn't be democratic :o

What I don't understand is why there isn't a threshold for change. We could have 50.5% voting leave and 49.5% voting stay, with a turnout of say 64%, so less than a third of the population voting to leave, and then we'd no longer be part of the EU?

Totally agree. It was the same for the indy ref - technically we could have split from the rUK on the basis of a couple of hundred votes (and vice versa). I'm surprised that there isn't a minimum level for a change of such magnitude. Does it also mean that we could technically face another referendum in a few years if the vote is split pretty evenly?

DH (also a Stay voter) tells me it's because it's a way of stacking the deck in one side's favour, which I suppose makes sense, but I still think for massive change like this there should be a threshold.

If the UK ever codifies a constitution then they should write in that there should be a threshold for such referendums.

Absolutely agree.

Yes, I've been wondering about that too, it looks like the turnout might be pretty high though so maybe not an issue.

But theoretically, 90% of the population could be happy to bumble along as we are, and not bother to vote, and we could be forced out of Europe by, say, 10% who REALLY REALLY want out and turn up to vote.

I guess we're not really set up for referendums in this country.

I'm a no/out voter anyway, and it's a definite plus that it counts as a Scottish out vote.

Anyone see the debate last night? Quite ironic to see NS talk about the benefits of being part of a larger economy! She looked very uncomfortable when the indy ref was brought up - lying toad that she is.

DH and I are both now veering to Leave. I think.

All the talk of Scottish independence has made me more determined than ever to vote leave.

no voter and remain voter.

All the talk of Scottish independence has made me more determined than ever to vote leave

Do you want a second indy referendum?

I'm a no and remain vote.if Brexit wins I'll still be a no voter

No I don't. But I assume they will count the votes regionally and so my out vote will count as a Scottish out vote.

We were both Scotland No voters and are both voting leave.
I think that Nicola Sturgeon is talking a load of complete rubbish just to put the frighteners on us. For a start she can't just call a referendum she needs an act of parliament from Westminster and they are hardly going to give her one. Also the idea that she is going to call a referendum on the premise that Scotland should be in the E.U. is laughable. She would have to make sure we were definitely going to get back in first! Scotland takes out more than it puts into the E.U. so they would hardly be jumping for joy at the idea of having us back.
Then what would happen - The rest of the UK - our biggest trading partner - 4 times bigger than the whole EU would be out and we would have to pay tariffs to trade with them!! Ye right like that's going to happen.

PLEASE PLEASE DON'T USE THE THREAT OF A SECOND REFERENDUM TO VOTE REMAIN. vote leave and call her bluff!

I'm not using the threat of a second referendum to vote Remain, I'm doing it because I think it is the best option. Hopefully, however people are voting, they're doing it because they genuinely think it is the best option, and not making their decision through the prism of Scottish independence.

I do however think a second referendum on that basis would be tough to win - all the currency and border issues come straight back. I don't think she wants to have one (although statements jump back and forward over the line) but, like most politicians, she has to balance what she thinks is possible with keeping her support on-side.

I just hope that after next week we can get on with running the country. We've had years of constitutional debate.

I'm going for In - I'm not in love with the EU, I don't think it's perfect, but I think the consequences of out could be pretty bloody grim.

I am not a fan of NS especially as I've seen just how she flicks 'on' in front of a camera, but I'm choosing to ignore her and any possibilities of tactical SNP voting as I think it's so bloody messy now I can't actually tell which way would be better for a block vote from their side anyway!

I'm a No voter and I'm voting Remain.

However if Brexit wins, I'll probably switch to a Yes voter in Indy ref 2.

Up until yesterday I was undecided where I was leaning re second Indy ref. Everyone I know (with the exception of 2 people) were No voters, and all are thinking the way I am, even as far as Indy2.

The way the polls are going, I'm now pretty sure Scotland will be Independent in Nicola's lifetime, as she always says. And I think she's playing this brilliantly in terms of her strategic interests, as much as I can't stand either her or her party. It's all utterly depressing.

I was a No Thanks voter in the IndyRef.

I am voting Remain in the EU ref.

My reasons are many - it's the sensible economic choice, it's best for jobs, IMO it's best for society especially the less well off, immigration doesn't hugely bother me, I don't want our little island to become even more isolated and I don't think the UK is anywhere near as powerful as it likes to think it is.

But I really don't think another IndyRef will happen. The SNP won't call another Ref until they are sure they will win it, as another No vote would take the matter entirely off the table for at least another few generations (I think at least 50-100 years), and NS won't risk that. And it would be a No vote, because last time so much of the fantasy promised land was stacked on the super strong economy wed have with all the oil riches.

That argument is now completely dead in the water, so all the people who aren't just chest-beating FREEEEEEDOM-at-whatever-cost will not vote Yes next time because they now realise just how terrible a situation Scotland would be in now if the vote had gone the other way, and how close Scotland came to ruin. So they will vote to stay in the UK. NS and the SNP know this, so that's why she keeping talking about having to win people round.

Also, Scotland needs to be in the EU (whether part of the UK or not), and if Scotland got dragged out of the EU with the UK with a Leave vote, and then called another IndyRef and voted for Independence, we'd never get back into Europe because our budget deficit would be enormous and the EU wouldn't let us in. Plus we'd be starting the application from scratch. And we'd have to join the euro. So it just wouldn't happen.

Those are my thoughts.

I'm a No voter and also Remain.

I also don't love Europe, but it's a helluva lot better than the alternative.

It's a bit like the NHS, it's not perfect and I'd rather it wasn't so bogged down in bureaucracy, red tape and inefficiency, but I much prefer having it than not!

I fear that an independent Scotland would struggle to get in to Europe (unless there was some dodgy dealings going on) and so a Yes Indyref 2 would just leave us totally up shit creak, out of the UK and the EU and a properly isolated little country.

I agree an independent Scotland would struggle to be admitted. Spain and Italy would not be keen because of their separatist movements and would point out what exactly would Scotland be bringing to the table ?

I think the one thing the Indy ref taught us was not to trust the media or the speculative numbers. On which basis I have to vote with my heart - so I'm voting to stay. And actually for many of the same reasons I voted no - we are stronger together, I prize travel and rights to settle across borders and my belief that nationalism on any level only divides people.