With NS saying that Brexit would force indyref2 are SNP faithful confused on what to vote?

[OneMagnumisneverenough]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-scotland-36124382

If they vote to stay in the EU (the party line) and the stats are driven down and show that had Scotland voted on their own they would have wanted to stay then that supports the call for indyref2 if Brexit wins, but if they vote to leave there is more chance of Brexit winning and therefore an excuse to call for indyref2 (if figures show that Scotland would have voted to stay).

Ugh typos.

I meant in the event of a yes vote and later, adopting the Euro

...and of course we have on the news last night that now if Boris becomes prime minister that is also a trigger for indyref 2.

Fortunately I think Boris may have chosen the wrong camp to affiliate to this time so may need to spend some time in the wilderness post the EU referendum.

I think practically anything could become a trigger for indyref2 if it suits the SNP.

One Magnum - why could one of the other party leaders during the campaign not asked NS to give a list of the triggers for indyref2? It seems like it'll be two sunny days consecutively soon.

Sunday nights debate nearly had my foot through the TV. If I'd heard "democratic will of the people" one more time from her, I would have. Wasn't the democratic will of the people demonstrated 18 months ago at what ClearEyes rightly stated had been described as a once in a lifetime referendum?

Sorry, cross-posted on the trigger

People keep letting her away with it unfortunately. It makes me very sad. DH is very good at picking apart her points and making counter points at the tv in real time - It takes me a bout 3 days to do that. He says that he'd love a party to be involved in but can't honestly affiliate with any of them. his talent is being wasted :o

Don't forget though that apparently it's not the SNP that keep bringing up indyref2 - it's everyone else

I don't think we need to worry about another referendum any time soon.

The SNP arent daft - losing a second referendum would pretty much kill the whole independence thing. There won't be another referendum unless they are certain to win it, and with the numbers as they are at present thtpat is going to take something massive, or a very long time.

It seems like it'll be two sunny days consecutively soon.

Fortunately we live in Scotland and I'm presuming they can't count two sunny days in Westminster :o

The SNP will only be able to get another IndyRef if:

The UK votes for Brexit and more than 50% of Scots vote for Brexit. Without the 50.01% or greater they have no case for another Ref.

But, MrSnow, if that happens how would it affect actual support for Indy? If I remember correctly, most of our trade is with UK, not EU...?

I would say if that scenario happens it means there would be less actual support for Indy in real terms.

I don't understand how the UK voting that we want to leave the EU is grounds for another indie ref. The whole of the country votes and you stick by the outcome, surely that's democratic, Scotland isn't a separate entity.

What if the whole of Manchester wanted to stay in, would that trigger a referendum in which they could demand independence?

its I don't disagree. However I do think the SNP aren't that smart. How is there any financial case for independence and why don't they touch on that? The main failure of Indyref last time, from their perspective, was the White Paper which was based on lies. That situation is even worse now. I just assume that people still wanting independence are either very wealthy or a bit thick

Twinkie, but Scotland is a country. And the argument goes that if one country in the union wants to stay it should not be forced to leave the EU because the other three want to leave. Hence another referendum. The SNP will never see the UK as a single entity acting broadly in the interests of all its people. But even so I'm not actually sure the SNP would call another ref just on that. They need polls to demonstrate support, which will be hard to achieve among reasonable voters with the cards they have to deal now. I can't help feeling they might be a little snookered. But that won't stop the endless whinging about Westminster and ducking of accountability The die-hard nationalists will always support Indy no matter what.

Yes, Scotland is a country that is part of the UK and we aren't being asked whether Scotland (or England or Wales or NI) want to stay in the EU or not. We are being asked if we want the UK to do so (or GB? always get that confused!). So then trying to break down the results by country isn't correct. There will be people voting in Scotland who wouldn't be eligible to vote in an indyref. there are people elsewhere in the UK that would be as indeed there are people that don't even live in the UK that would be. It's not clear cut.

Yes, it's a puzzle - as stated by pp, I am also completely baffled that the SNP do not want to be 'ruled' by Westminster, but have no such qualms about being ruled by Brussels .... would like to hear NS's explanation of that actually. If Brexit happens, as I hope, and Scotland then somehow gets back into the EU, we would go back to England, and I know quite a few others here who feel the same.

One Totally. I agree with you. I meant with my post that that is how the SNP view it. Parma, I agree with that too. I voted no and will vote remain because I think that's consistent. UKIP are also inconsistent, in the opposite way to the SNP.

Ah rombri didn't read carefully enough :) We are on the same lines definitely.