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Liam Fee's murder...

102 replies

Behooven · 21/04/2016 22:51

I have been following this horrific story through the media. I know it's still in court so shall 'haud ma wheesht' until the verdict...
But on the evidence presented so far - shocked and sickened

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Lucked · 18/05/2016 23:56

I have been struggling with the horror of this. They read out some of their texts on the radio news whilst I was driving home from work and the implications of what they were texting and searching the Internet for really upset me and I thought I was going to have to pull over.

Groovee · 20/05/2016 17:15

STV said when the prosecution's case was closed that they could now show you pictures of the women. Must be some sort of legal technicality.

LunaLoveg00d · 31/05/2016 12:33

Both guilty of murder. And of abusing two other boys.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-36417415

Would expect an extremely lengthy custodial sentence. I hope the two other children are adopted into families who will love them and support them in coming to terms with what they've been through.

derxa · 31/05/2016 12:53

Beyond horrible

Corabell · 31/05/2016 12:57

The BBC article states that some of what went on in that home is beyond what is acceptable to report. That makes me feel physically ill as what they have been able to report is so distressing. Those poor children and I feel for the jury having to deal with that evidence.

OOAOML · 31/05/2016 14:05

Horrendous. Those poor children.

SweetieDrops · 31/05/2016 14:22

Pair of awful, heinous bitches. I hope neither of them ever have another child.

Groovee · 31/05/2016 17:19

Have read police Scotland's statement Sad that poor baby! His mother had one job to care for him and protect him!

prettybird · 31/05/2016 17:23

I hope the jurors get absolved of ever having to sit on a jury again.

ThisCakeFilledIsle · 31/05/2016 17:24

No doubt they'll now start bleating about wanting to be together in jail.

LunaLoveg00d · 31/05/2016 18:05

I hope the jurors get absolved of ever having to sit on a jury again.

Excused from jury service for 10 years. Very harrowing case.

The cynic in me wonders how many days it will take for someone in the SNP to start going on about Named Person and saying that named person legislation would have stopped this happening. (Even though childminders, concerned friends, nursery staff were ALL flagging up concerns and they had contact with Police and Health Visitors)

3dogsandacat · 31/05/2016 18:08

They look evil.

People like them won't have a very good time in prison. (and rightly so)

prettybird · 31/05/2016 18:22

10 years is not that long Sad

Many people never get called and others like dh and me seem to be called every 5 years (think it can now be 3 years?). I don't mind doing my citizen's duty but it doesn't seem to distributed fairly.

BeJayKayven · 31/05/2016 18:42

Oh god, listening to some of the details of the abuse and how they conspired to cover it up and blame the other boy 😡

I know this is wrong, but I'd hang them in a heartbeat.

LizzieMacQueen · 31/05/2016 19:04

I hope neither of them ever have another child

Ditto (and I'd hope impossible now they'll be spending the next X years locked away)

RIP Liam

hidingwithwine · 31/05/2016 21:37

I had to stop reading the details of the case a long time ago as it made me simultaneously weep with horror and rage with anger.

That it happened practically on my own doorstep just made it all the more real.

RIP Liam. I hope the other children who lived in that abusive household get the support and love they need.

OneMagnumisneverenough · 31/05/2016 22:00

Agree hiding, those poor children deserve a break. It has never indicated who they are but I presume they must be the children of the one who wan't Liam's mum? I obviously don't want to out them but I really can't imagine that anyone would have placed the children with them so presume they must be hers. So sad.

I drove past their new home this evening (I presume) though there are a few woman's units spread about now i suppose. Anyway it made me sick but I don't think they'll have a good time in jail.

LizzieMacQueen · 31/05/2016 23:03

If you google specific details you can find articles that pre-date the trial, specifically one where they interview Nyomi's mother. From that it is quite clear who the other boys are.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 01/06/2016 00:26

Scotland has a wider list than England and Wales of people who can't serve on juries.

So far as these jurors I imagine that if any of them are called up again after 10 years they could still ask to be excused if it was anything which was likely to be distressing.You could not reasonably expect anyone to sit through another case like this.

I don't know if counselling or support is offered for jury members. It must be awful having to sit through trials involving cruelty to children or animals.

Yukduck · 01/06/2016 10:49

Beehooven you too, and so many others here, moved to tears as this case unfolded. I did not know there was a thread running so posted this last night on the fostering section:

From the BBC News Website:
"Social services had been alerted to the Fees but had failed to take any action". "In the days before his death, Liam suffered a broken leg and arm. He was killed by a blow to his abdomen which was so severe that it ruptured his heart. In total, he was found to have more than 30 injuries".
Could someone from fostering please explain to me how this little 2yr old boy could be "known" to social services and not taken into foster care....... even after a broken leg and arm?

The poor little boy.

There was a representative from Social Services on Breakfast tv this morning and I wanted to push her teeth down her throat. She said something like "cholera was not cured by individual doctors, it was cured by replacing pump handles and keeping the water clean" (meaning individual SW's could not "cure" child abuse it was down to "systems"). True about curing Cholera but not about child abuse. I wanted to say to this woman if a group of people (SW's) are given ABSOLUTE POWER over families and children, are paid to do so, and fail to protect a child known to them, then both the system and those in it are rotten. It would be the same thing, Madam SW Representative, if a group of professionals, with absolute power over the well, paid to ensure it was clean and Cholera free were to allow people to vomit in the well or to ignore a turd bobbing about on the surface.

And so another child dies. Sorry, very upset by this.

OneMagnumisneverenough · 01/06/2016 12:46

Yukduck because they didn't seek any medical treatment for those injuries so until he died no-one outside that house knew he had multiple breaks to his limbs. It's all part of their google searches in the evidence in the case I think. Did they not search for info on whether you could die from a broken leg or something proving that they knew how badly he was injured but they did nothing about it.

I think the social work thing is the wrong focus here. The social workers didn't kill him, the people that were supposed to care and protect him did. I think there is far to much paperwork around the job that has SW stuck in offices trying to prove they are doing a good job when they could be out and about seeing things for themselves - there is obviously a need to keep records up to date but there must be a better way to do things.

The named person legislation is going to make this worse, not better.

SauvignonPlonker · 01/06/2016 13:50

That's interesting, Magnum. I hoped the legislation about named persons would stop poor wee souls like Liam falling through the system ie that there would be more co-ordination rather than different agencies acting in isolation?

OneMagnumisneverenough · 01/06/2016 14:27

I just think that if you are trying to spread the existing resource round people who don't need it will take focus and resource away from those that do. I guess it depends who the named person in this case would be - If it was social work then they are already aware and have the relevant reports, if it is his nursery teacher then she had made the report to the people who are supposed to be able to do something, so how would the named person legislation help?

I just think the money being spent on it could be better spent on a decent system to ensure that people don't fall off the radar and freeing up staff to be out and about following up reports.

OneMagnumisneverenough · 01/06/2016 14:29

And there was the case of that poor child who died neglected while his mum was out clubbing etc in the area where named person legislation is already being trialled - it didn't help that poor wee soul either.

QueenLaBeefah · 01/06/2016 14:51

I dont think that the named person would have made any difference in the case of wee Liam. Social services had been informed repeatedly.

TBH most cases of horrific abuse and or neglect involve families already with social services involvement. All that the named person thing will do is spread already meagre funding even further.