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No funding for new child named person scheme

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StKildasNun · 21/04/2016 16:39

Apparently some authorities have no extra cash for this scheme.
Our LA has sacked all the Teaching Assistants, I wonder what else will be cut to fund this new legislation? It sounds a half baked plan to me.
www.peeblesshirenews.com/news/14442865.No_extra_cash_for_child_welfare_scheme/

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StKildasNun · 29/04/2016 08:22

I think, like most of the new legislation in Scotland (drink/drive limits, keys of life etc) it is not thought through. They don't seem to have in place a mixed group of people to scrutinize these policies. Everyone in gov falls over themselves to 'save the wee bairns' or 'stop drink driving' or whatever and wants to be seen to be a nice bloke, agrees to these policies and it lands the public services with a hugely expensive and not properly implemented policy. Police Scotland is another. In theory a good money saving idea, in practice good staff leave and it isn't joined up or running well. Services are being cut and cut, all this extra expense will make it worse (but of course it's the nasty tories in Westminster not us in the Scottish Gov).

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expatinscotland · 29/04/2016 08:25

Good! Stupid idea.

DailyMailEthicalFail · 29/04/2016 10:19

expat: 'no funding' available = they will simply take it from other areas.
My kids school is crumbling and the windows are held in with sellotape.
There is no playground equipment, hardly any school books/pencils etc.
There is no teacher in the Nursery. The Head is shared between 2 schools.
There are no school trips, no music, no drama, no clubs.
It is poverty stricken in every way as the aspirations of the staff for the kids are almost nonexistant.
I expect they will take from this budget to fund the NP scheme.

stkilda: I agree. There is a terrible 'groupthink' going on in Holyrood and I think it will last a decade, at least, as it is mixed up in Nationalism.
Even those policies that some Scottish voters are uneasy about, they may not challenge as they are SNP, and NC is a very very good speaker - far more appealing and plausible than Wee Eck ever was.
And, yes, they are not the current Govt in London which is both English and Tory - a double whammy of 'evil' in many people's minds.

DailyMailEthicalFail · 29/04/2016 10:20

(wish to point out that I myself HATE the current Westminster crew not because they are English per se, but they are evil!)

OneMagnumisneverenough · 29/04/2016 10:48

But Daily apparently you are not allowed to both hate Westminster and not be for the SNP. In fact, according to the losers 45 campaign, if you didn't vote Yes for independence you have no right to complain about Westminster at all as it's all your fault! Hmm

DailyMailEthicalFail · 29/04/2016 11:00

OneMagnum I know, I know Grin

I am genuinely in a bloody dilemma about how to vote though -

I'd vote for Ruth Davidson but not Tory
I'd vote for NS but not the (lunatic) SNP policies
I'd not vote LibDem (as before) after their 'selling out' of so many things
I'd vote Green if I thought they had a chance
I cant vote Labour as the main party and Kezia are both hopeless, imo

And I cant not vote as I always have because women died for that right.

Imo we will get the 2nd IndyRef within 3 years (sooner if Brexit happens)
and it will go 'Yes' this time

peggyundercrackers · 29/04/2016 11:07

daily what your saying doesn't really make sense.

NS is SNP - she is the one rubber stamping all SNP policies and supporting them. if you vote for her you vote for SNP and everything that they believe in.

peggyundercrackers · 29/04/2016 11:09

cdtaylornats it does break the human rights act - in the high court the defending QC told the judges that - he agreed it wasn't compatible with the human rights act when asked

OneMagnumisneverenough · 29/04/2016 11:15

I'm going to vote for whoever I think will represent my local constituency the best (with the exception of Tory or SNP as I just can't bring myself to do it) then I think I am going to go Labour for the 2nd vote - I hope they are going to pull their socks up. I think Kezia has potential but was in as leader too soon and I'm not really happy with any of the alternative offerings. I agree re the nation Labour party too. I'm hoping this anti Semitism thing brings matters to a head.

Whilst I would want them to be an inclusive, diverse and engaging party, they are kowtowing to the Muslim influx and that's where the anti Semitic stuff is coming from imo. I can't say I am always the biggest fan of Israel sometimes but being anti Semitic because of that is as ridiculous as hating all Muslims because of Isis etc.

I have to disagree that NS is a good speaker and appealing though - I find her annoying and with no charisma and actually not very bright. I do agree however that she is better than Eck.

DailyMailEthicalFail · 29/04/2016 11:33

peggy sorry, I put it badly.

I could vote for her BUT for her policies - she is pleasant and friendly (I've met her on one occasion, socially) and a very 'acceptable' face of SNP/Nationalism in a way Wee Eck never was. She may not be 'bright' but she has a sly / cunning intelligence about her and is much better at taking the curveball Qu without getting aggressive as Eck did.

BUT there is the question of her policies, as you rightly say. I find many of them to be completely inept (Forth Road Bridge, Edinburgh Schools etc etc etc) and some to be outright dangerous (NP and other data gathering schemes for adults).

DailyMailEthicalFail · 29/04/2016 11:36

I also found the SNP's refusal to disown the anti-English racism that was displayed in some quarters by some SNP candidates / supporters quite disturbing.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/04/2016 12:24

StKildasNun

I'm intrigued - what's the issue with then new drink drive limits?

StKildasNun · 29/04/2016 12:30

When they tightened up the drink drive limits they made them such low alcohol levels that using the wrong mouthwash or eating a choc liquer can take you over the limit.
So good intentions but insufficient scrutiny. I suppose that in Westiminster having the house of lords thrashes out stuff like that.

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OneMagnumisneverenough · 29/04/2016 12:31

I don't have an issue with the drink drive limits - although that was just a skandi import policy as anything skandi seems to be good and anything English/British obviously is bad. I think they forget that Skandi's pay a lot of tax for what they have and they just wont ever do that here.

OneMagnumisneverenough · 29/04/2016 12:36

I think that is a bit of an urban myth tbh StKilda I can imagine that it may temporarily increase the level of alcohol in a breath test but it would not be an issue if you requested a blood test.

I think people use that as an excuse for still having night before alcohol in their system.

StKildasNun · 29/04/2016 12:36

stkilda: I agree. There is a terrible 'groupthink' going on in Holyrood

I did vote for independence thinking that that would mean more independent people - clever business minded Scots getting to the top and leading the country and its people to greater wealth and then better public services.

Instead we are being treated like numpties - huge lists of rules for the care of disabled, Named Parent as we can't be trusted to bring up our kids, drink drive rules and so it goes on. Insulting and disappointing imo. (and the cost to public services and the cost of paying for a Scottish parliament using up millions of taxpayers money)

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chemenger · 29/04/2016 12:38

I watched Alex Salmond on question time and I thought it was interesting that he was being quite conciliatory on the question of the Labour Party racism issue. However, cynically, I think this is because he wants us to accept the idea that MPs can say unacceptable things then apologise and be forgiven, because it seems to me that this is not that unusual with his crew of inexperienced MPs. I really viscerally dislike both him and Nicola Sturgeon and would never vote for a party either led by them or even involving them. He is an oaf and she is sleekit and does not seem very bright. Ruth Davidson impresses me and I would like to see her lead the opposition if the SNP continue their inexplicable popularity and romp to smug victory again.

StKildasNun · 29/04/2016 12:39

Could be an urban myth but people I know behave as if it is a fact, no puddings such as trifle which contain alcohol, no chocs etc

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OneMagnumisneverenough · 29/04/2016 12:45

The whole of the Scottish Parliament structure needs a rethink imo. There is no system of proper scrutiny or proper cross party policy making.

It was never designed to be a one party in majority system. There should never have been a set up that allowed the party in power to ride across everything else and implement whatever they felt like.

However, the party in power is unlikely to instigate change as it is to their advantage to carry on the status quo.

The press are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they quite rightly criticise the party in power then they get told that they are anti SNP. But the thing is we should all be critiquing the party in power (regardless of who they are), that is how democracy works. Putting your tick against a party on a ballot sheet shouldn't give them carte blanch to do whatever they feel like.

peggyundercrackers · 29/04/2016 12:48

although I despise the SNP I think wee eck is far more affable than NS, he is a good public speaker, definitely got the gist of the gab, quick thinking and always has an answer - however hes smug and that makes me want to poke him in the eye - he has an answer for everything. NS is clever but she is sleekit. At least with eck you knew where you stood as he couldn't hide his feelings but NS is very cold and unfeeling - don't like her sidekicks Robison or hosie - I don't like that their married either - just seems wrong and that they are milking the system for all its worth. another pair of arrogant ***

DailyMailEthicalFail · 29/04/2016 13:05

Does 'sleekit' = sly???

I heard NS described as a 'wee sweetie wifie' and I've no idea what that means but it didn't sound complimentary!

OneMagnumisneverenough · 29/04/2016 13:09

dailyMail I'm guessing you weren't brought up in Scotland?

Sleekit is more or less sly/devious/smug/underhand etc

A sweetie wife in my own experienced was more to describe men than women, it means someone who gossips and in particular a man who involves himself in women's business - quite an old fashioned thing from when men were men and women were women and never the twain should meet.

StKildasNun · 29/04/2016 13:16

I was brought up in Scotland but not Glasgow and some of the words used in Gary the Tank Commander interview were a struggle. Seems a bit Hmm to use local words to prove how Scottish you are.
Shan trainers was one, and Gash, well some I remember from Rab C Nesbitt but not from school.

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OneMagnumisneverenough · 29/04/2016 13:17

Which tbf could be used to describe NS as the only surprise in my opinion is that she hasn't yet declared herself gay - but then since that's already been taken by more than one candidate she is left with being ethic or having a disability - or member gender fluid?

btw, that wasn't a crack at anyone from any of these categories, its a reflection on the fight to see who can be most "right on" and therefore understanding of the needs of the minorities to win votes.

As I've said on one of these threads, the only things that I take into account are honesty, integrity and hard work. I couldn't care less if the person with those qualities is a white male or a disabled afro Caribbean lesbian with gender identity issues or anything in between.

OneMagnumisneverenough · 29/04/2016 13:18

I think a load of GTCs words are more east coast rather than west. The west coast ones tend to be more well known as they are on tv more.