The English have voted in the Tories....again.

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great.

FWIW, I don't agree with the threads blaming the Scottish voters either. The UK a a whole voted the Tories in again.

Looking at the maps it would seem that England voted in the Tories. Scotland is mostly SNP. Wales is mostly Labour. NI is NI parties...

FPTP is utterly shit.

"The UK a a whole voted the Tories in again."

Yes. Through a whole variety of voting decisions (Tory directly, SNP, Ukip, ...), they - we - did.

You can't cherry pick any one of those voting decisions and say that was the only one that did it. Nor can you cherry pick any one of them and say that that's the only one that didn't do it, it was all the other people's that made the difference. They all have a collective effect and examining them as if they were each the only decision made is completely artificial.

Even if every seat in Scotland was Labour we would still have a Tory majority. Scotland voted for better representation of Scottish interests IMO. Labour just didn't have a strong enough campaign in England.

Even if every seat in Scotland was Labour we would still have a Tory majority. Scotland voted for better representation of Scottish interests IMO. Labour just didn't have a strong enough campaign in England.

And even if Labour had had a much stronger campaign in England and had won another 50 seats there, we would still have a Tory majority with that many SNP seats in Scotland.

You can't pick either one or the other and say that alone did it.

The SNP voting may or may not lead to a much better situation for Scottish interests (don't know enough to comment) but it has definitely contributed to the Tory majority. I assume this is a consequence that SNP voters are happy with or they wouldn't have risked voting that way. It's a consequence other people are allowed to comment on!

I didn't vote SNP but I am, and always have been, prepared to pay more to have a more equal society. I am not rich by any definition, but I can afford to pay more, I know what it's like to struggle and i'd like to see hard workers and the vulnerable supported better. I have and do work hard for what I have. I hope the SNP have put behind them the immediate race for independence and fiscal economy and concentrate on representing the best interests of the people of Scotland.

I wonder how many of the SNP voters are aware that that the SNP don't have a magic money tree?

Anyone who can add can't blame snp voters for the Tories winning.

Labour need to take responsibility for the terrible decisions they have made over the last few years.

FWIW, I don't agree with the threads blaming the Scottish voters either

Yes, and I can't believe that this is even an issue on Scotsnet. There are surely other threads on the main forums where posters, if they are so minded, can blame the Scots for the lack of a credible alternative to the Tories UK-wide.

^I hope the SNP have put behind them the immediate race for independence and fiscal economy autonomy and concentrate on representing the best interests of the people of Scotland.

I think Nicola Sturgeon was quite clear that there is NOTHING in the SNP manifesto about independence, and those were not the terms on which the election was fought.

As for fiscal autonomy, given that Tory policy is less taxes, fewer services, I personally think if you are prepared to pay more for a more equal society, then fiscal autonomy in Scotland is only going to help that happen. Then we can have the arguments in the devolved Scottish parliament about how money is raised and how it is spent.

Romey - anything extra we are able to pay via taxes at the moment will be like chucking a pebble down a well in terms of fiscal autonomy. Even the SNP don't/can't deny the figures becasue they are the figures.

I like NS better than the previous incumbant and I hope that she keeps to the promises she made but time will tell. Despite being a No voter, I don't really have a problem with future independence but it must be made with a clear head and with all the cards on the table in full view as I believe that a lot of people got caught up in the Nationalism of it without it actually making economic sense. I think that people saw it as a garden of roses which is would never have been certainly initially - reality seems to be sinking in a bit more. When the positives outweigh the negatives then I'll be happy to add my vote.

Well the Independence issue at present remains on the table, it's hiding behind the "Staying in the EU referendum". And I can't believe that UKIP haven't realised that if that referendum gets a "Yes let's leave" vote, that Scotland will be clamouring for independence right after.

Even if Scotland had sent 58 Labour MPs back to Westminister, that still wouldn't have been enough to oust the Tories, would it?

I don't think the 'Silly Nonsense Party' will have any effect at all. For example, Labour will join the Tories on any vote about Trident and will probably vote against the SNP on everything for the sheer hell of it/revenge for losing seats.

I actually think the SNP and NS constant 'Ed Miliband will make a deal' did lots of damage to Labour and then the SNP got in all over Scotland. No one trusted Eds assertion that he would not do a deal.

Conservatives won for many reasons, its not a case of 'the scots' or 'The english'. Its a mixture of lots of different things.

I live in Yorkshire, our MP is now a tory. So no not just the south voted Tories in.

Democracy is a fucker isn't it?

SNP and NS constant 'Ed Miliband will make a deal' did lots of damage

That was exactly their intention. They wanted to wipe out Labour and in this case pretending to be their friend was the best way to do it - it's all politics and anyone who believes that they don't lie, connive and cheat is being naive. Even lovely wee innocent Nicola...

I assume that some of the conservative vote was an anti-snp vote. Take note snp. Snp now has far more representation in Westminster than their proportion of the uk vote justifies. Fewer votes than ukip - far more seats!

Con vote seemed to be mostly the non-metropolitan areas. Lot of Labour in London. Labour lost some in Wales to the cons and con vote in East -Riding. Not true to say, 'The English'.

Apologies Christina.

I didn't realise Scotsnet was exclusively for Scots, i thought it was like mumsnet isn't only for mums.

The conversation appeared in Active converstaions so thought it was for everyone.

I'll go find englishnet

I get confused with Scotsnet. I'm not a Scot but live in Scotland so I'm not sure of I can post on it or not.

My comment was to ifyour

I think you will find englishnet under AIBU..it should beveasyntomfind, just look for all the anti scottish threads

Ubik of course you can. I am in same position. If I have a query about primary schools admission, I can post it here and get advice from people under the same system. I could use the local pages but a very reduced traffic there - and the issue isn't specific to Glasgow or Greenock, it's soecific to Scotland. Hence, Scotsnet.

Let's please play nice. Everyone is welcome on Scotsnet.

For anyone not in the know, the Scottish Government - currently run by the SNP - is in charge of health & education in Scotland, and also has tax raising powers. Defence is a 'reserved' matter, run by the Westminster government.

Not sure why the SNP government has not yet used its tax raising powers, can anyone explain?

Perhaps the SNP will end austerity by raising taxes? I can't see what else they have in mind? Their 'Yes' literature suggested everything would be free for individuals, and taxes on business & industry would pay for it. Not sure if business & industry want to play that game!