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Being 'used' for free childcare?

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BooksAndFootie · 24/08/2024 19:53

Sorry... this is a bit long, but I think the details / context is important.

SS is 5 and stays with me and his dad (my DH) 3 nights every week all year round. The precise days/nights he's with us differ each week according to SSs mum's work shifts. We are happy to have him stay those nights so his mum can go to work.

DH is self employed and works Mon-Fri. I run a small business and also work Mon-Fri with some flexibility.

Before the summer holidays, SSs mum and DH agreed that SS would go to the daycare provided at his school on the weekdays that they are working throughout the summer holidays. There is a daily fee which they agreed to split between them. DH does also pay child maintenance.

She was concerned that the daycare is sometimes called off if not enough children are booked in. As far as I know this has only happened on one day in the Easter holidays. I said that if the daycare gets randomly cancelled I can flex my hours and help out if needs be.

(All sorted. SSs mum gets a cute new dog, and re-arranges some of the days we have SS as she's off on a mini-break - this is relevant.)

Fast forward to the third week of the summer holidays. SSs mum suddenly declares that she can't afford the daycare and alternative arrangements need to be made for SS on the weekdays they are both working. She said her family could help. Fine.

She then proceeds to ask DH if I am available on any day to provide childcare. I declined, via DH, and was quite annoyed that she thought I would be alright with that. Daycare had not been cancelled by the original provider. She had, seemingly, spent all her money on other things (dog, mini-break...) Her family (mostly her retired mother) looked after him - oh, with the dog too.

Fast forward again to this week. DH received a long ranting text from her complaining that he hadn't bothered to help out organising any childcare, that she was fed up of having to arrange everything with her family, and she is annoyed with me for not helping with childcare when I 'promised' I would.

DH replied, pointing out that the daycare plan was cancelled by her, due to her poor financial planning, and that she made arrangements all by herself to use her family instead. Also that I didn't 'promise' anything other than to help if the daycare cancelled on them.

Must admit at this point I was furious - the dog would've cost around a grand, plus a mini-break and other luxuries totalling hundreds of pounds. I did send her a text asking whether the child maintenance goes on the child, and pointed out that I am not a 'free childcare provider'.

She saw her arse (of course) and told me to keep my nose out of what she spends her money on and that she absolutely HAS NOT expected me to provide free childcare. The second and final message from me was simply pointing out that she has made her spending choices my issue by expecting me to provide a free childcare option to her.

She ignored me and sent a message to DH accusing me of being abusive (I definitely wasn't - there was no swearing, no name calling, no ranting, just very to the point as I have explained here). She said in the message that actually she CAN afford the daycare, she just DOESN'T WANT to pay for it or see why she should when her family are willing to help...

Wow!

So... why is she annoyed with me and DH? She has admitted choosing, without consulting DH, to use her family for free rather than pay for the daycare that they both agreed to, and admitted lying about whether she can afford it in an attempt to rope me in to adjusting my work schedule to help with childcare.

AIBU to feel pissed off about this?

(Also, for added context but not particularly relevant, I have 2 DDs of my own who are teens).

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TransformerZ · 24/08/2024 19:55

Don't do any baby sitting. Ignore them both. Partner and his ex. Tell him not to bother you with her texts, you're not interested. Block her.

BooksAndFootie · 24/08/2024 19:57

TransformerZ · 24/08/2024 19:55

Don't do any baby sitting. Ignore them both. Partner and his ex. Tell him not to bother you with her texts, you're not interested. Block her.

I can't ignore my DH!!

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Ozanj · 24/08/2024 19:59

I think it’s a bit shitty he needs childcare when you both set your own hours.

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 24/08/2024 20:00

You are not doing yourself any favours by messaging her, especially things that aren't likely to be well received. Just stay out of it and let them sort it out.

It would be helpful for them to have a set schedule over the summer holidays, so childcare is equal. Then anything they can't cover themselves, they need to sort out the alternative provision. It shouldn't be all oknone person to sort and pay for.

AnneLovesGilbert · 24/08/2024 20:01

DH is onside so you can ignore her. If she sends anything else just block her. This child has two parents, you’re neither, it’s not your problem at all. And given her tone she can fuck off if she ever wants another favour from you.

AnneLovesGilbert · 24/08/2024 20:02

Ozanj · 24/08/2024 19:59

I think it’s a bit shitty he needs childcare when you both set your own hours.

He was going to his grandparents.

TransformerZ · 24/08/2024 20:03

Yes you can. You tell him you don't want to baby sit his child. You don't want to hear about his ex's issues.
There's a reason he tells you all the details - he wants you to do the free childcare but wants you to think it's your idea.
Why are you even responding to her? You like drama.
Why are you asking the obvious. She wants to save money.
You like drama.

ItsAStupidQuestion · 24/08/2024 20:03

She's a CF. Did your DH give her his half of the money for the childcare provider in advance?

Theleaveswillbefalling · 24/08/2024 20:05

Not your problem. But DH should be organising and paying for childcare on the days he has him.

BooksAndFootie · 24/08/2024 20:06

Ozanj · 24/08/2024 19:59

I think it’s a bit shitty he needs childcare when you both set your own hours.

I think you misunderstand the way being self-employed works. We still have to work through the day, and if we aren't available to our clients during office hours, we don't 'seal the deal' and we earn no money!! We can't simply take the time off because we 'set our own hours' that's a very short-sighted view IMO.

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Reugny · 24/08/2024 20:07

BooksAndFootie · 24/08/2024 19:57

I can't ignore my DH!!

You can tell your DH not to talk her about her issues Infront of you.

If he asks you to look after ss decide whether you want to but there is no need for you to know any details of ss's mother or for you to have any direct communication with her, and vice versa

Irridescantshimmmer · 24/08/2024 20:07

YADNBU.
She's got a nerve OP. Don't let her take advantage, she now has to sleep in the hole she dug to shit in.

BooksAndFootie · 24/08/2024 20:09

Theleaveswillbefalling · 24/08/2024 20:05

Not your problem. But DH should be organising and paying for childcare on the days he has him.

Yes, he was. Until she changed what was happening without any consultation, then made it his/our problem.

Also, the days he has him are 100% on her variable work schedule - so the need for childcare is equally his and hers.

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cansu · 24/08/2024 20:09

Is your dh only seeing his son three evenings a week? That doesn't sound like much responsibility tbh.

BooksAndFootie · 24/08/2024 20:11

ItsAStupidQuestion · 24/08/2024 20:03

She's a CF. Did your DH give her his half of the money for the childcare provider in advance?

No, thankfully!

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Reugny · 24/08/2024 20:11

BooksAndFootie · 24/08/2024 20:09

Yes, he was. Until she changed what was happening without any consultation, then made it his/our problem.

Also, the days he has him are 100% on her variable work schedule - so the need for childcare is equally his and hers.

Your DH needs to sort out his schedule with her and not drag you in it.

If it's an emergency - so public holidays or at night - then yes you or your DDs can look after SS but otherwise it's his problem to sort out.

BooksAndFootie · 24/08/2024 20:13

cansu · 24/08/2024 20:09

Is your dh only seeing his son three evenings a week? That doesn't sound like much responsibility tbh.

3 days per week, from 6am. (During the day he's in school in term time now). The schedule includes every other weekend which is worked into the 3 days/nights per week. It's very nearly 50/50 actually.

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NuffSaidSam · 24/08/2024 20:16

So much to unpick.

YANBU to not want to provide free childcare, you were right to say no.

YABU to get involved with this, to start texting her questioning how she spends her money etc. It's none of your business. It's been your DH and her.

If DH was going to pay half the childcare bill he could have sent DSS to the childcare for half the amount of time, leaving her to sort the other half with her family. This would have been a fairer approach.

She does sound like hard work though.

Hohofortherobbers · 24/08/2024 20:21

She can back out of the childcare arrangements if she wants but your dh could have still booked the holiday club for the 3 days you were due to have him each week. You'd earmarked that money for childcare, you were happy to pay half.

BooksAndFootie · 24/08/2024 20:26

NuffSaidSam · 24/08/2024 20:16

So much to unpick.

YANBU to not want to provide free childcare, you were right to say no.

YABU to get involved with this, to start texting her questioning how she spends her money etc. It's none of your business. It's been your DH and her.

If DH was going to pay half the childcare bill he could have sent DSS to the childcare for half the amount of time, leaving her to sort the other half with her family. This would have been a fairer approach.

She does sound like hard work though.

The tricky part is when she asks him about my availability. He's asked her previously to contact me directly about anything like this, and she refuses. I'm happy to address anything head on - get things spoken about out in the open, I hate them discussing me without being included. That's when I feel the need to contact her.

I do feel justified in questioning her spending choices when she's asking me to provide a free childcare option as an alternative to something she doesn't want to pay for.

The half/half organising childcare would work in many situations - however she seemed happy to ask her family to help, and then all of a sudden kicked off!!

Yes. Hard work and I need to try to detach. I find her infuriating!!

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NuffSaidSam · 24/08/2024 20:30

I do feel justified in questioning her spending choices when she's asking me to provide a free childcare option as an alternative to something she doesn't want to pay for.

It's not going to help the situation though is it? Just say no to doing the child care and leave it at that. Disapprove of her choices to yourself or to your husband. Questioning whether she's spending child maintenance on a weekend away instead of her child is going to upset her and make her angry. Don't stir the pot. Be the bigger person.

I think detaching is absolutely the right approach.

HidingFromDD · 24/08/2024 20:45

I suspect she left it too late to book and just assumed they’d have spaces. In future, your dh needs to book childcare on his days and leave ex to sort out her own.

BooksAndFootie · 24/08/2024 20:49

HidingFromDD · 24/08/2024 20:45

I suspect she left it too late to book and just assumed they’d have spaces. In future, your dh needs to book childcare on his days and leave ex to sort out her own.

'His' days are 'her' days - we have SS on the 3 days she is working, as she is out of the house from 6am until 10pm on those 3 days. It's different every week - hence why the cost is split.

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TheEuropaHotel · 24/08/2024 20:51

I don't think you've done anything wrong or abusive. You know what she's like now, so just completely ignore her. Do not do any childcare at all (except on your dh's time and if it's convenient for you).

I know you said you prefer to tackle things head on, but, don't. Don't talk to her at all.

You weren't wrong to question her spending habits tbh. I'd be questioning them too! Cheeky fucker.

But I'd just not have any further communication with her at all unless totally unavoidable and then just polite and civil.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 24/08/2024 21:16

For next holidays, you need to be clear he can’t tell her to contact you directly for childcare- he needs to ask you. If it’s a genuine issue you’ll help, you expect him to book her into childcare on his days.