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Rejected by my MIL

69 replies

Janstar · 17/07/2003 17:51

Hi everyone

This is my first posting on mumsnet, I just so need someone to talk to and some feedback. My DH and I have been through so much in the last few months.

I have two daughters from a previous relationship, and back in Sept my eldest confessed that her father and his partner had been running an internet business with porno sites and video sales - all from the house where they live and my daughters had been visiting alternate weekends. We had to stop the visits, and only have meetings in restaurants with my DH to chaperone, but my ex applied to the court for more contact. As you could expect his statement was full of lies to try and paint me in a bad light.

My husband had been made redundant the same week we found all this out. We had grand plans to do up our house and use the redundancy money to start a new life with our own business. But the legal costs over these months ate all the money away and my DH is back at work now. (Thank goodness he was wanted!).

To discover that my daughter had known all this for two years before telling us was horrible. She did not want to cause trouble but she was only 11 when she found out. What a strain on her!

Neither daughters want to see their father any more, but we have been put through months of worry and expense, and have been interviewed by various officials as if we were on trial ourselves. The case is still progressing but looks well for us at this stage.

In January I broke my leg on the ice and could not walk for three months, and my poor daughters had so much to do to help me. My DH and I have a little boy of 2 and so there is a lot to do. My eldest daughter fell ill with physical symptoms the doctor diagnosed as stess in the end, and missed a lot of school. Then one day she had a big fight with her school friends and came home and swallowed the contents of the medicine cabinet. I spent three days in hospital with her, she is fully recovered but still depressed. I cannot persuade her to accept a course of therapy, although two psychotherapists have recommended it, but have told me that to force her would do more harm than good.

I sent my MIL an email a few weeks ago explaining what we were trying to contend with, and asking for some support. I did not receive a reply. When I saw her at last, she attacked me fiercly, saying that my email had been a load of s**t, that it was the most self-pitying drivel she had ever read, and that she did not understand what I wanted her to do.

I said, 'be like a mother, give advice, give support.' She told me that she is not my mother, and that at 42 I shouldn't need one. That I should shut up and get on with it, and grow up. She also accused my DH of being selfish and only caring about himself, which I could not believe. He is a wonderful son. He always phones her every week for a chat, pops in, treats her to meals out and lovely gifts on her birthday and other occasions, and sent her on a lovely holiday for her 60th birthday last year. I don't know another son who is so generous and caring. He is just as wonderful as a husband.

I did not mean to sound complaining to her, but I wanted to tell her my situation, in the hope that we could have conversations that are real and some kind of a mother/daughter relationship. My own mother was an alcoholic who died many years ago, and when I married my husband I was thrilled that now I might actually have a mother to share things with. I have tried really hard to build a good friendship with her, making a fuss of her on mother's day, cooking nice meals for her and my FIL, inviting them to join us on holidays and days out, but she has never really made any effort to talk to me in a way that reveals anything about her inner self.

I feel that she is so stoical that she cannot bear it if I am my usual open self, to her it seems self-centred. But as she spoke to me it was as if the floodgates opened and a stream of pure venom came out of her mouth. It hurt so much to find out that she felt that way. She was totally dismissive of us and our problems, as if she did not care a jot what we were going through. She implied that it was our fault that my daughter had taken the overdose.

She has never been like this with us before although there have been many times where I have felt unfriendly vibes. My husband is stunned, he doesn't even want to try talking to her. I'm afraid that there is something behind her behaviour that is hurting her so badly that she couldn't control her normally impeccable temper.

I don't know what, if anything, to do or say or think. I am worried for her and for my husband. I am also feeling bereft of the mother I hoped for, as if two mothers have now rejected me. I so needed a mother just now.

I am sorry to be so long and boring.

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jasper · 26/10/2003 22:19

Janstar, what a horrible situation you and your dh are in.
There are of course two sided to every story but it is just beyond comprehension what would be in their minds to explain their behaviour.

Sounds like they are just plain nuts. (apologies to all who are nuts but nice )

As my dad is fond of saying , "you can't educate pork"

Hope you can get some kind of resolution.

Tortington · 27/10/2003 10:22

how horrible, i hope that you find some kid of peace with the situation soon. it does put my MIL probs to shame.

i think that in certain situations the grown ups can disagree without involving the children and only you will know if your PIL can do this. but what also worries me is how they ignore your other children. do they buy them xmas pressies and b'day pressies too?

in our family my BIL has two children which are not biologically his - he started the realtionship two years ago and the children are 12 and 10. however we still have a picture of them on the shelf -they are a part of our family - if he loves them we love them too.

anyway
xxxxxxxxx

doormat · 27/10/2003 10:40

Janster you are right to stop all forms of contact.I wouldnt put up with that.
You are very lucky that you have the full support of your dh.
They sound very stubborn and set in their ways.

If I was in your position I would let the dust settle for a few days and then go and see them and tell them that all contact will be stopped if they cannot resolve this matter with you there and then.
The ball is in your corner then and they can either resolve the situation or not, it will be their gain or loss.They are then forced to make that decision.

I am only advising this as I have had these problems with inlaws and my own family. I would just give one more opportunity for them to "come around" so to speak before it gets any worse and believe me it can.
hugs
xxx

Twinkie · 27/10/2003 10:52

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Girly · 27/10/2003 10:55

What an awful situation for you all. I think you have been very brave in standing up to them, they are obviously not used to it. Keep consistent and they may give up this nastiness when they see they are not getting anywhere.

Big hugs to you and your family. You must do what is best for your family and they will just have to lump it.

janh · 27/10/2003 11:24

Janstar, this is from your very first post here:

"She also accused my DH of being selfish and only caring about himself, which I could not believe. He is a wonderful son. He always phones her every week for a chat, pops in, treats her to meals out and lovely gifts on her birthday and other occasions, and sent her on a lovely holiday for her 60th birthday last year. I don't know another son who is so generous and caring."

Also "there have been many times where I have felt unfriendly vibes".

I don't know what his childhood was like - although you did also say "as you can imagine with a mother like his, his communication skills are still 'under construction'" so presumably she wasn't at all a touchy-feely mum - anyway it sounds to me as if she feels he shouldn't love anyone but her, that she is desperately jealous of you, wants to "get him back", and badly needs therapy. Pop psychology - sorry - but I can't think of any other explanation and it did sound, from your first post, as if she has been waiting all this time for a chance to manipulate him back to her. Her failure to do this will have made her even angrier. Is he an only child? You haven't mentioned any siblings?

It's amazing really that he has turned out such a lovely chap and you and your DDs (and DS) are very lucky.

janh · 27/10/2003 11:29

oops - lucky to have him, I mean, not the other stuff, obviously.

handlemecarefully · 27/10/2003 12:57

I'm probably not a very nice person (unlike you) so I would be tempted to cut ties with her. She sounds thoroughly unpleasant.

Janstar · 08/11/2003 10:38

Hi everyone. We went round to PILs' house last night. I wasn't keen to go, but dh wanted to 'settle things once and for all'. I think he felt very little hope that we could resolve the situation, but he wanted to feel he had done all he could before giving up. So I decided to go with him.

It was as we thought. They once again tried to gloss over all the accusations they had made. They kept going on about how worried they had been about dh being under so much pressure and wondering where it was all going to end. In the end I said, 'we're all under pressure. So...?' MIL feigned puzzlement so I said, 'Your point is?' which really annoyed her. I asked if she thought dh should dump me and the kids so that he could escape from the stress, cos I couldn't see what else she was driving at.

FIL spent half an hour asking me questions about how long I had known my ex, conducting a thorough investigation into the possibility of my previously being involved in pornography with him. I explained that an eminent clinical psychologist had written a psychological profile on him in which he explained that his fantasies turned into reality when he met someone of like mind - his present partner. I then asked if a court accepted this explanation, why couldn't they? But as usual he just carried on as if I hadn't said anything.

Then the interrogation switched to questions about my 14 year old daughter who took an overdose because of her depression after keeping her father's activities secret for two years. I was told that if only I had listened to her in the first place this would not have happened. There followed a lecture on what children need in life, with the associated implication that I was not providing anything on the list.

I explained that dd had not told about her father because she was afraid he would be angry with her, afraid of starting world war III, and still for a long time trying to see the good in her father. But again he acted as if I had said nothing and just carried on with his masterclass.

MIL told us it was outrageous that we had asked her to babysit after dd came out of hospital, that we shouldn't have left her side. She knew damn well that we only wanted to go to Ikea to buy new furniture for dd's room to cheer her up, but talked as if we had been planning to go out to a rave or something.

They kept asking if they could see ds, but dh said no, after the things they had said about me and the unequal way they treat dds. They asked was it fair to deprive ds of his grandparents. Dh said, probably not, but I have to think of what's best for the whole family, not just him. He said my ex had done his best to divide us with the court case, and we had kept it together, and he wasn't going to let anything else divide us.

Eventually after I had been thoroughly verbally trashed, I said, 'I've had enough of this', said to dh, 'you stay if you want'. He said no, he was coming too. I told my PIL, it's over as far as I'm concerned, you will never see my face again, and if I don't need a mother (which is what she told me some time ago), ds doesn't need a grandmother either. As I was leaving, MIL shouted, 'you want to try being a mother'.

So that is it. I have not cried or anything, I cried buckets in the beginning when this all blew up, but recently I have felt that there is nothing they can ever say to me that will make things all right again, and have felt a strange calm about it. Dh said he was glad, because it meant I could sit and let his father talk and talk, and it was the words that came out of his father's free will that made dh sure that we were doing the right thing.

I have had my character and my parenting skills completely assassinated and although I know the untruthfulness of it all, it still haunts you and makes you question everything, with that guilt motherhood brings.

But I am humbled by my husband's unwavering loyalty to the children and myself, and the perfect good sense he has employed throughout this saga. How his parents could criticise his fathering skills is beyond me. I truly realise how lucky I am, I have lost my parents in law but I have a husband who is as good as he could possibly be, and that is infinitely more important.

Thanks to all you mums who have advised and supported me throughout this. It really has made a difference, and it's at times like this I can see how that bit of support can change you from a self-doubting wreck to a strong and determined woman. I'm sorry if this all sounds melodramatic but I really feel this and I was thinking of you all in the car on the way home last night - how much better and easier handling all of this has been because of your amazing support.

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beetroot · 08/11/2003 10:50

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Janstar · 08/11/2003 10:56

Yes, we are taking them to a firework display tonight. Actually, in general, we feel that life is improving a lot at the moment after the 'annus horribilis' we have just had. Although the PIL thing has been awful, at least it is over now and we can move on. My broken leg is much better, we got the result we wanted in court in July. We are still trying to help dd sort herself out but in general life is quite good.

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survivour · 08/11/2003 13:05

I have just caught up with this thread, you have coped brilliantly!!!!!!!!!!!!! and if its a mother you want, I'll post you birthday cards, lend you an ear when your feeling down! and when you get fed up, you can just ignore me! But seriously, you have done very well on your own, don't ever forget it!!!! Your family comes first.... And what a dh, he makes you proud... xxxxxx

lucy123 · 08/11/2003 14:08

Well done Janstar! At least it's resolved now and no-one can say you didn't try to patch things up. The very fact that you stayed for as long as you did shows quite a rare strength of character.

It's amazing really that your dh turned out the way he did. All the best for this year!

crystaltips · 08/11/2003 14:17

I have just returned to Mumsnet and have just read this post from top to bottom. I am in a situation that virtually mirrors yours - and I have taken note of all the advise you have been given!
You keep going on about your DH and what a wonderful husband and father he is .... LUCKY LUCKY you! But I also feel that you should pat yourself on the back - as you are doing what's best for your immediate family and are a great mother and wife .... and isn't it wonderful that you are all able to appreciate one another?
WELL DONE

WideWebWitch · 08/11/2003 14:26

Agree with everyone - well done Janstar. Your DH sounds like a star, as do you. You've done all you can in the face of incredibly unreasonable behaviour and I'm glad to hear that other things in your life are getting better.

sobernow · 09/11/2003 08:13

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sis · 09/11/2003 11:58

Janster, I too just want to congratulate you on having such a lovely family - you and your dh really seem to know what is important for the family and ensure that you all stick to it despite some amazing pressure and strain from others.

sunchowder · 12/11/2003 19:07

JanStar, I haven't been around posting for a while, I just read through some of this and I am so glad that you felt supported through all of it. It is so very tough to stand up for outselves all of the time and then when the acquisitions seem to fly out of no where--Ihate the feeling that I am being attacked. TI would seem that you handled this beautifully with your inlaws and thank goodness that you have the unwaivering support of your DH. Thinking of you.

doormat · 12/11/2003 19:15

Janstar what a lovely family you have.
As for the in-laws you did everything possible for them to back down.Your family is strong and you dont need them.
Your dh sounds like one in a million, you are very lucky and must be very proud.
take care and hugs xxx

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