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Innocent young gay lad or potential nutter? Opinions needed

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SantaCruise · 18/06/2010 07:12

Sorry for the name-change but my usual name makes me immediately identifyable to people who may know me. I'm having concerns about a person I have just befriended. It started at college when a young bloke joined late in the course. He was very loud but funny as hell, I took an instant like to him but secretely wondered if he was gay. Not that it mattered or it was any of my business, I was just curious because although he wasn't your average Boy-George, he did come across as being "gay" and I was just nosy.
I would never have mentioned it to anyone else but I overheard a couple of other people talking and wondering aloud if he was gay. One of them said she'd asked him and he'd denied it. So from this, I assumed it wasn't just me that thought he could be gay.
(Again, not that it mattered! it was just curiousity).
Then I was speaking to someone else later in the course who laughed that she had asked him outright and he had said he wasn't gay. So from this point I just assumed he wasn't.
I hadn't had much to do with him, never spoke in depth to him or anything, just laughed along with his jokes and gave the odd wave when I saw him around college. I thought he was a funny, nice guy.
Fast forward to last week, the two of us where in a room of people we didn't know so naturally gravitated toward one another, got talking, left the building together and he walked to the bus stop with me. During this walk, he told me he'd had to suddenly leave his last city, leave his flat, his car, his job etc and come back home to where we live now. It sounded like an emergency evacuation but all he said was that something really bad happened and he'd had to leave instantly. He also told me was having trouble with the college work and was afraid he was going to get chucked off the course and that he was gay.
So I offered to help him with his work where I could. He took me up on it and asked if I had facebook. I gave him my name and he said he'd add me to facebook.
That night, he did add me to facebook and sent me a msg asking for my mobile number. In the msg he called me "babe" and ended it with lots of xxxxx's. DH saw and was not impressed. I said "oh don't worry, he's gay!". DH not convinced.
I gave him my number. I Wrong decision maybe? I then got another msg saying "thanks, I'll phone you in a bit xxxx"
Anyway I heard nothing from him all night. Assumed he'd managed to get himself sorted. Then yesterday evening he sent me another msg on facebook asking if it was ok to call. I made my excuses. He said he'd leave it.
That evening I'm stood in the kitchen with DH, my phone rings. DH not impressed at all. I answer it and he asks about this work, keeps me on the phone half an hour, panicking about a bit of work he'd lost and then miraculously finds it at the end of the convo. I wish him luck and say good bye. 15 minutes later, he calls back asking about another bit of work. Keeps me talking. Finds the work at the end of the covo apologises and we end the call. 5 minutes later, he calls back. When I pick up he calls himself my stalker (not highly unusual for him to talk like this, he is a joker but it was starting to get a bit wierd). Asks me to run through the work again. I do. DH getting really pissed off at this point and asks "are you SURE he's gay??"
I apologise to DH after the call, leave my phone on the kitchen side and go and get a shower. When I get out, DH mutters "your stalker called again AND left you a text". I read the text in which he offers to call again with some info I may find useful for my own work. I thank him but decline his offer (it was getting on for 9pm) and tell him I'll see him tomorow (today) at college. He apologises with a X. DH spits "why does he keep putting kisses on everything???" so I try to assure him its just the way he talks. I then get another text off him with just "X". DH spitting feathers at this point. I apologise!
10.40pm I get another text asking "are you still up?"

FFS - DH really not comfortable with this now and thinks the guy is some kind of psycho. Is he just being paranoid or should I distance myself from this lad?

OP posts:
activate · 19/06/2010 09:35

you need to stop this now before it escalates

you need to tell him categorically not to call you again as you and your husband are not comfortable with it

tell him you will help him in class and possibly after class only

and step back

activate · 19/06/2010 09:35

calling a virtual stranger 6 times in one night is far from normal

Bink · 19/06/2010 09:36

Don't you mind this guy constantly phoning you? He is really overdoing it and I am with everyone else who says that your own alarm bells should be ringing about your own self, nothing whatsoever to do with what your husband's reactions might be.

Perhaps your husband's reactions - which are extreme - are distracting or confusing you as to what you are or might be thinking about the calls/contact. If your dh didn't mind, would you be bothered?

Basically - I would be, and I think you need to set some boundaries for yourself, entirely separately from your husband's view of all this.

If you've been a recluse for a while perhaps you've got too dependent on other people (eg your dh) telling you what's right & what's not. But really this person does not sound like the sort of stable friend you need if as you say you are just coming back to that.

animula · 19/06/2010 09:37

He doesn't like you having male friends, but he won't like you having female friends, either. With men, I'm guessing it'll be about the sex thing. With women, he'll go mental about the possibility of you "bitching" about him, and being "disloyal".

iCooed · 19/06/2010 09:56

i htink the BLOKE has a htread on " young gay guys net"
saying

" have met this nice woman at work who seems TOTALLY controlled by her h, am trying to get her our nad way from him"

dittany · 19/06/2010 10:49

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SolidGoldBrass · 19/06/2010 11:12

Dittany: did you miss the bit about the OP having no friends and being a rcluse because her H doesn;t like her having friends? I think the H is as dodgy as the stalker and the OP would be better off without either of them.

MrsHarkness · 19/06/2010 15:28

OK the young guy is going a bit over the top, but he is that a young guy, probably stressed out and needs some help, but maybe you do need to tell him to ease off a bit, but to be honest I would be more worried about your husbands attitude, way too controlling. My alarm bells would be ringing more about his behaviour than the young guys behaviour.

TiggyD · 19/06/2010 21:20

You Husband seems like he has a bee up his arse. You can have male friends.

I think you need more friends away from your husband. It's not good to depend on only one person all the time.

Why not use husbands moans as an excuse to set a phone-call limit of some kind with your friend.

It sounds like this chap is rather lonely and thinks he has made a friend in you. He also sounds like he's just coming to terms with his sexuality. If you've been hiding a big secret for years from everybody, it's not uncommon to make a bit of a tit of yourself when you come out. You may be the only person he feels he can talk to without having to pretend he's somebody else.

mathanxiety · 20/06/2010 06:04

Nothing wrong with male friends but by no definition is this a friend.

You are being a doormat. You are making up excuses to this seriously weird man who keeps on phoning you as to why you can't talk on the phone, and apologising to him for hurting his feelings by adding smiley faces to your texts. You are not merely playing this creep's strange game, you are giving your H the message here that you can be run over and dictated to. And yes, you are encouraging the weirdo by not saying bugger off in a firm tone of voice.

Another one here who says listen very carefully when he uses the word Stalker. Sometimes people tell you who they are; sometimes it's a throwaway comment that sounds lighthearted. Frankly, nothing about this weird guy strikes me as un-premeditated or un-calculating, in a really obsessional and loopy way. He has targeted you, maybe because you're giving out "I'm a complete softy who has trouble telling people where to get off" vibes.

This is not a budding friendship or relationship involving any kind of mutuality. Don't be afraid of tackling the job of shaking this creep off. By doing that you will show your H you have grown a backbone too. Again, it's not your job to be this strange person's confidant -- there are counselling services in the college that can help him.

You know nothing about him except what he has chosen to tell you, and that may or may not be true. You do not seem to have enough radar yourself to see how he has manipulated you into giving private information like your phone number, flattered you into believing you can play a role in solving his 'problems' and how he monopolises your time, making evenings at home with your family revolve around him. The photography thing is almost Monty Pythonesque (Is your wife a goer then?) and should be a signal to you to ignore his calls and all attempts to contact you from here on.

If some woman was phoning your H and trying to engage him in phone conversations all night every night, how would you feel? I don't think he's being 100% unreasonable to be angry with the student and also with you.

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AnnaBafana · 20/06/2010 17:33

The gay thing is totally irrelevant, really. His behaviour is inappropriate. Not grossly so right noiw, but it slunds like the beginnings of something i don't like the sound of. I have known people like this. Way too intense, pushing themselves on to you, poor boundaries. He will turn nasty, without a doubt.

I would distance yourself from him firmly but politely now.

TotalChaos · 20/06/2010 19:46

yes, agree with Math's analysis of the young lad/friend issue - given you sound quite isolated, your good friend material radar sounds a little off - don't be flattered by this lad's neediness.

AnyFucker · 20/06/2010 20:16

I think you all sound as potty as each other, tbh

Coolfonz · 20/06/2010 22:39

You could become a gay man and go out with the gay guy. Unless he's not gay that is.

whiteflame · 21/06/2010 00:35

santacruise there seem to me to be two separate issues here. first of all the 'stalker' guy. to me the guy doesn't sound dangerous as such, but very, very needy and not someone you want to get too close to. Seriously, would you think it was ok to ring someone 6 times in a night?? I would be cringing on the 3rd time I rang ANYONE in one night, let alone a new acquaintance. Imagine how many times he will call when you're an actual friend. You need to ask yourself what does he add to your life?

And the second issue of your DH. It is possible that he is overreacting because he has had a friendship go wrong like this (I have, and would not like to watch it happen to my partner). But, he is being totally ott. Can you have a rational discussion with him (perhaps after switching all phones off!!) during which you state that, this particular guy aside, you WILL have male friends?

whiteflame · 21/06/2010 00:40

reading that back it sounds like i think your DH is being unreasonable. i actually have a lot of sympathy with him re stalker guy, and can see exactly where he's coming from (he's just going about it the wrong way). when i say have a discussion, i mean so that this stalker incident doesn't become a basis for limiting future male friendships. where he can always point back to and say 'remember what happened last time you had a male friend' iyswim.

darksideofthemooncup · 21/06/2010 01:48

OP it seems as though you are between a rock and a hard place. I think you need to stand your ground with the pair of them.

The phone guy sounds very needy, however you need to set your boundaries and be firm about them, six calls in one evening is excessive and intrusive, you are not a surrogate mummy/counsellor/whatever and you need to make that clear.

You also need to address your dh's behaviour, it is not acceptable and you should not be made to feel guilty for being nice to someone, at worst you have been naive but it doesn't mean he should go off the deep end at you

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