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The real story

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TheRealPerson · 16/06/2010 11:21

This is the last thread I will start on this topic. I know I need to leave. I am trying to arrange that but I need coping stratagies for while I am still here.

I'll have to be pretty brief as it is a long story.

I was thrown out at 16 (mum got re-married and I was surplus to requirements). My father had already died. I looked desperately for someone to love me. I found someone who I thought did. I had my first child at the age of 17. We ran up huge debts but were stupid and had another child 2 years later. We never truely loved each other, we were both just looking for a way forward.

2 years later, he cheated on me. I left. All the debts were in my name. I worked hard and paid them all off myself and then very stupidly allowed him to move back in. Didn't like being alone. He ran up more debts. There was violence, complete lack of respect and in the end, violence. He then cheated again and moved in with a much older woman (mother figure?)

So I'm on my own on a very rough council estate raising two young boys on benefits. Every night I have kids in the garden, wrecking the car, stealing things from the shed, banging on the windows - on one occasion a teenager climbed into the back garden and just trashed the place whilst I was alone inside. Why? because he thought I'd stolen his younger brother's football (he later found it stuck in a bush).

I was scared, lonely, fed up, depressed. I looked for a relationship and ended up with a loser. Wasted a few years with him. Finished it. Spent a couple of years on my own again, struggled with my sanity, decided I could not cope anymore and asked my mum if her husband would act as a guarantor so I coould rent a private house. He said yes. I asked again before looking for a house to confirm, he said yes. I found a house, asked him again, he promised. Went to look at the house, loved it, asked him again if he was sure, he said yes. Secured the house - asked him to sign the papers - guess what, arsehole has "changed his mind". Desperate I went back to dating. Found current partner. Moved in very, very quickly simply because I was so desperate to get away from that area. YES YOU ALL WARNED ME NOT TO AND YOU KNEW I WAS MAKING A MISTAKE. you were right, I was wrong. I was frighetend and didn't know what to do.

It was ok at first, we all got along ok but then the controlling attitude came up. His wierd ways, the issues with the daughter. She's wetting the bed everynight and he doesn't even make her shower or change her sheets. She is scared of having friends over because she knows the room stinks of piss. She makes up constant illnesses for attention. One of which partner was actually going to take her to doctors over despite knowing she didn't have it - just to keep the peace.

I am at college, I am trying to better myself, I want to leave and be by myself with my boys but I can't. As I'm not working, I can't go private and there is a 3 year waiting list for the council.

I swear partner and his ex have mental health issues. His ex sends the daughter wierd texts about having sex with different men and using people and how she wants to kill herself. When I tell DP, he just shakes his head and says "I told you, she's nuts" and burries his head in the sand. When she goes out with her mother, she has to pay for her own busfares and and her own lunch. At easter, the mother didn't buy her an egg and instead threw a tantrum in a shop because DSD wouldn't buy HER an egg.

I sit here thinking is it me or them that is absolutely nuts? Sometimes I think it must be me, because partner seems unfazed by all the wierdness and when I think back, there is no wonder you all think I'm a troll, the story is so fucking wierd, I have trouble understanding it.

I feel for dsd but I need to get away asap. But in the meantime how do I cope with it all? How do I emotionally detach from it all?

I will reply on this if its needed but I won't post anymore threads on the subject.

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IsGraceAvailable · 16/06/2010 13:22

It's okay. It does take a while (and a lot of talking) to get a line of sight through the crap ... in case you didn't notice, it took me 45 years! This is actually what counselling does, but if it feels safer to chuck a bit more stuff out here first, go ahead. Did you ever look at the Stately Homes threads?

I know what you mean about landlords and HB. I think they're mad! The reason I live in this tiny town, instead of the nearest city, is that there is a landlord who specialises in HB tenants, bless him - they even helped me over the deposit. It is definitely worth ringing round as many agents as possible, just asking if they consider HB tenants.

Having said that, all of your posts indicate you'd qualify for a place at a refuge. This would be helpful in many ways, I think, not least in that you'd be understood & have fast-track access to support services. There are some lovely threads in here, by women who are in / have been in WA refuges. They're not dumps.

So glad you sent those emails. Well done you!

sungirltan · 16/06/2010 13:24

hey op - i think CAB/local housing office need tobe contacted. where i live there are social housing schemes where you can get your deposit guranteed for private rentals. there are also social housing estate agents who might be albe to help.

also if you are studying at a university then there will be a hardship grant you can apply for (though might be too late in the year for this year) of up to £2k twice a year - you sound v eligable to me!

you could also contact Shelter for housing advice.

i really think you need someone to list your realistic, practical options and help you choose one and work towards it.

EleanorHandbasket · 16/06/2010 13:27

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wannaBe · 16/06/2010 13:28

I get your need to write it all down.

I think the issue with doing that on a website like mn though is that you get responses, and you're not always going to like the responses you get, iyswim.

Would it be helpful to start an online blog/journal?

EleanorHandbasket · 16/06/2010 13:29

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IsGraceAvailable · 16/06/2010 13:30

... But it okay to work your stuff through here, you just can't expect everyone to know your story. I didn't until someone pointed me.

I feel sad that you're so full of 'unworthiness', you didn't even think anybody would believe you or stick around long enough to offer support. I do know how you feel, I did almost the same years ago.

TheRealPerson · 16/06/2010 13:30

EleanorHandbasket - I know, I don't know why I did it. One day I just decided to name change and post about it again with a different spin on it, wondering if people would give the same advice and it became addictive. I honestly do not know why I did it. I can only apologise.

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GypsyMoth · 16/06/2010 13:31

its ok tho,we're all big girls,and we all get scared sometimes.

keep posting mrs s. the only way is onwards!

PortiaNovmerriment · 16/06/2010 13:31

Am I right in thinking that you were moved around a lot as a child and bullied as a consequence? And abused by a family member?

I am not surprised that you have real difficulties with keeping boundaries for yourself (and I take my hat off you managing to study btw, you obviously have some real strength in there), but you really do need to take that step to get proper longterm therapy to try to undo some of the awful parenting in your own childhood. As you are seeing now, it is so so important to break the cycle- and I'm sure you can do it.

nickelbabe · 16/06/2010 13:33

you know, crying is a big step - WA will not mind if you cry down the phone to them.

if they email back telling you to ring, could you instead email them back and ask if you can coem and see them? rather than having to phone. it might be easier on you to deal with a person face-to-face.

PortiaNovmerriment · 16/06/2010 13:33

Ah, crossposts with Eleanor.

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TheRealPerson · 16/06/2010 13:36

Yes I went to a number of different primary schools (even having to go back to one of them, after starting at a new one). Then I got into a decent secondary school - but my mums husband decided that the busfares were a waste so I was placed in THE worst secondary school in the city (in order to save £2 a day )

I lived with numerous family members too as my mother "couldn't cope". I lived with my grandmother, an auntie, back to my grandmother, back to my mother, back to my grandmother, to a different auntie ... it all got a bit tedious after a bit and I decided to go off the rails somewhat.

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ShirleyKnot · 16/06/2010 13:40

ahh, I enjoyed that.

Just one last thing I wanted to say on the whole "trolling" aspect. I was asked once by MNHQ to report if I had any concerns about you trolling...and I said, No, because we all know she needs help, and we're all hoping she gathers up her courage and actually leaves that arse.

And here you are. Having the courage to say "This is me, I'm sorry and what can I do"

Honestly, I could weep a bit.

PortiaNovmerriment · 16/06/2010 13:40

I do feel for you. Get your boys out as soon as you can though- you must see how important it is? You don't have to put them through feeling second best, which they must do in this hell you've moved into

TheRealPerson · 16/06/2010 13:46

I do portia, I have my mind 100% focussed on it. I want to leave asap. I'm just making a few enquiries about various things. Its stupid, I'm not scared of him, far from it. I'm scared of having to speak to someone and admit I'm not ok. After years of smiling and saying "Yes, I'm fine" I'm really struggling to take down those barriers.

I have already told my 11 year old that I am trying to find us a house. I told him yesterday. He replied "yeah, I knew you would, eventually ... does that mean I can slag off S*** to you now, in private I mean?"

He has his head screwed on far more firmly than I do.

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ShirleyKnot · 16/06/2010 13:48

What's the worse that can happen when you admit you're not ok?

PortiaNovmerriment · 16/06/2010 13:52

He has always been quite astute, hasn't he?

TheRealPerson · 16/06/2010 13:58

The worst that could happen? erm - I suppose once its "out" there, i'm no longer in control of it? I don't know. It terrifies me, people knowing that I'm not ok. I don't know why.

Even now, my mum totally denies any wrongdoing on her husbands part and puts it to me that I was just a jealous teenager who went off on one - and me ... stupid cow that I am just smile and agree. wtf is wrong with me? I want to scream "No! it was HIM, he was the adult! he was the one who used to buy the entire family fish and chips and then put his hand out for money from me when I was 13 as if I wasn't part of the family, HE was the one that used to deliberatly turn over the PC to let the baby watch shit she wasn't really interested in JUST because he knew I was watching something! HE was the one the allowed his father to call me a bitch when I was just 14 years old! HE was the one who decided the baby needed the bigger bedroom so stuck me in the converted bathroom with no heating and a door that didn't even shut properly! fucker that he is.

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lilmissmummy · 16/06/2010 14:00

Just take things one step at a time, I agree with everyone else here that WA are an absolute godsend. They will help you if you can work up the courage to telephone them (It took me 6 months to find the strength) even better. It took me back how helpful, kind and generous they were.

Counselling is also a necessity for all of you. You do not deserve to live like this and your sons will thank you for removing them from this situation. Your son sounds like a very switched on little boy.

Stay strong, you can do this!

GypsyMoth · 16/06/2010 14:03

is your mum still with him?

IsGraceAvailable · 16/06/2010 14:05

Couch counsellor Grace to the fore ...

"It terrifies me, people knowing that I'm not ok. I don't know why."

I bet you do! How about this?

"my mum totally denies any wrongdoing"

Bless your little unconscious mind (little as in 'child', btw, not in mental capacity!) - it's trying to protect your mum.

Perhaps. I'm only a couch counsellor. Who should be building a website

bumpybecky · 16/06/2010 14:08

It's OK to admit things aren't OK

Do you feel just a little bit better for posting today? there were so many of us hoping you would get to this point one day.

It must be a very big scary thing to admit that there are problems. Just carry on taking little baby steps. Today you've done two, posted honestly on here AND emailed Womens Aid. Well done

If you call Womens Aid and cry, that's OK too. They'l be used to it. They can help you and your boys. Please be brave and make the call.

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BabyDubsEverywhere · 16/06/2010 14:09

If you dont stop this cycle your sons will become the men that have been in your life - you must put aside your pride or whatever it is thats between you and therapy and just do it, you didnt deserve to be treatedf the way you were, but by not breaking the cycle your doing the same to your sons. you cannot allow this to go on, because then it wont be your mums fault or your step dads fault. it will be your fault. you really dont want that on your head aswell as everything else youve got to deal with.

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