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Why is jealousy so often a problem in relationships?

28 replies

electra · 11/06/2010 11:07

My marriage ended because of it and I have been with quite a few jealous men who don't like me having male friends.

I think jealousy is very destructive, and whilst I know it's a natural human emotion to have about someone you fear losing, I have learned to keep mine in check over the years because.......at the end of the day you have to let people do what they want.

Would you have a problem with your husband / dp meeting up with an ex girlfriend for a coffee? I have met people who say if you're in a relationship you should entirely cease contact with anyone you've ever slept with. I think this is really silly. But am I in the minority?

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NinaJane · 11/06/2010 11:33

Jealousy stems from insecurity. If one is naturally an insecure person, then one is more prone to jealousy. I know that my dh is in email and telephone contact with women he has slept with, before we met. I know that he goes for coffee with them every now and again, because he tells me. It doesn't bother me, because I am not insecure in our marriage.

If he does decide to take things further with any of these women, then there is nothing I can do about it. I cannot and will not control another adult. He knows that if anything ever happens, it will be a deal-breaker for me. I trust him enough to believe that he values our marriage enough not to jeopardize it. But if he should one day betray my trust, then it will be his decision, not mine. Yes, I will be devastated, but I will not blame myself for his weaknesses.

MargaretAtwood3660 · 11/06/2010 11:39

I am not sure it really is something that bothers me a lot...not in terms of actual meetings or such, if you trust someone, you trust them.

However I have had problems with jalousy over previous girlfriends, before - only one time, in one relationship when I was very young.

This didn't stem from thinking he loved her more exactly but more that I felt really crap about myself and thought she was better all round - basically I wanted to be her, in every way, and to have lived her life including the bit with him.

I was v screwed up about it. But I didn't mind him spending time with other people, I was interested to know whether he had some deeper relationship blossoming with them, but if he had it would have seemed like, well, we weren't meant to be.

Same with the man who left me a few years ago. I was devastated that he left, but it wasn't anything to do with her - he made the decision, she didn't force him to leave me and be with her.

I've also had a very jealous boyfriend who would slam doors if I spoke about a friend I used to have, not even a boyfriend, he was peculiar and I ditched him sharpish.

electra · 11/06/2010 11:39

I completely agree, NinaJane.

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OrmRenewed · 11/06/2010 11:40

"I cannot and will not control another adult."

Exactly. There is nothing more to say on the matter really.

EcoMouse · 11/06/2010 12:27

I didn't used to feel jealous to the point that when X had an affair, I was hurt far more by the deceit than that he'd consummated a sexual relationship with someone else (his body, up to him who he chose to share it with).

Sadly, I now struggle with jealousy (horrible, horrible alien feeling!). It stems only from the damage my X's behaviour did to my self confidence (I have none whatsoever).

I struggle with it and do my do my utmost not to relay these issues onto NM. If I do feel the need for reassurance, he gives it freely, without judgement and I hope, in time I'll recover and be able to relax and enjoy.

mrsruffallo · 11/06/2010 12:32

I don't understand jealousy at all. I don't think I have it in me to be jealous and I certainly couldn't be with a man who had any jealous traits at all.
It's such a negative emotion, it actually scares me.

Miggsie · 11/06/2010 12:42

Check out the emotional abuse thread particularly the links that describe personality disorders.

NorthernSky · 11/06/2010 13:14

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Sazisi · 11/06/2010 13:27

I'm quite possessive of my dh, and do jealously keep tabs
I know it's not ideal, and I try to keep it under control. He's understanding about it too, which helps.

I wasn't at all a suspicious/jealous/possessive type in the past, not until I was cheated on really badly by exp with his colleague/"drinking buddy". I'm not so laid-back anymore, and wouldn't trust blindly.

On the other hand, I have no problem with dh keeping in touch with exes, as long as he's completely open about it that's fine by me.
I also don't have a problem with him having exes. There are a few photos in old albums of him with his ex, and some of a (very pretty) holiday romance from student days who he's kept in touch with. All fine, I don't wish to obliterate the past

foureleven · 11/06/2010 13:36

I have only read OP. having coffee with an old girlfriend wouldnt bother me per say.. But I would prefer for him to invite her over for dinner so I could get to know her too..

And if he lied about it and I found out he had gone behind my back I would leave him.

The thing about jealousy is that it is often blamed on the person who is jealous/ doesnt trust but it is often the fault of the other person.

Until I was with my DP I thought I was a terribly jelous and untrusting person, ex went as far as to make me think I was mad. Truth is, he was very sneaky and secretive and untrustworthy.

Now Im with DP I feel next to no jealousy whatsoever because he

NoHandsNeeded · 11/06/2010 13:51

because he...just walked into the room with another woman and I am going to have to kill them both.(just kidding.

foureleven · 11/06/2010 14:06

haha sorry client came in.!

...makes everything transparent and makes me feel so secure..

harrierhom · 11/06/2010 14:26

It shouldnt be a problem, but when your partner/husband/wife has lied about past relationships with someone and also hides the fact that they are in contact with an ex secretly txting and being secretive about them. That i would see as a cause for concern, and I do as I am going through it right now.

foureleven · 11/06/2010 14:38

oh harrierhorn thats not good. Its like someones messing about with your reality isnt it?

He hasnt tried any of the i'll-make-her-think-shes-going-mad-to-take-the-heat-off-me tricks has he?

harrierhom · 11/06/2010 14:44

Well 4/11 i am actualy a bloke and yes she does, little things like starting rows about why i use facebook, when she broke of from "our" facebook and uses her own. I fact if you look at the Is My Partner Cheating on me? thread youll see all about it.

I was also emotionally abused by my ex wife for 15 years before this rlationship, so things are not so good at the moment.

OrdinarySAHM · 11/06/2010 14:45

If they are being completely open about it, because they haven't done anything to be ashamed of, and aren't trying to make you jealous to boost their ego, and aren't talking about the other person in a "Phwoar" way, then that's fine.

If they start seeing that person one to one loads and getting really close and discussing lots of personal stuff then I would worry it was going too far and boundaries were in danger of being crossed.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 11/06/2010 14:53

Jealousy can be a pernicious force in a relationship, but I think it's quite a useful "marker" about the state of a relationship.

When people say they feel no twinges at all about their partner meeting an ex, or developing a burgeoning friendship with a new female, I think it is possible that they have checked out emotionally from the relationship themselves some time ago and are looking for an exit route so that they are not the "bad guy".

I also think that people frequently ignore their "inner voice" or the twinges they feel, because it is now culturally unacceptable to admit to feelings of jealousy. So people try desperately hard to be "cool" about these situations, even if instinctively, they feel threatened.

It seems far healthier to me - and realistic, if we acknowledge that a situation like this can be threatening, but honesty and transparency will nullify the threat. So a couple in tune with one another will each understand there might be a nervous twinge - and do everything in their power to reassure and behave openly about their friendships. They also understand that the lines in such friendships can become very blurred and that there are some warning signals to heed, such as the ex declaring that sex was great, wasn't it? That they are unhappy with their current partner and have fonder memories of the earlier relationship.

The safest friendships outside a marriage are the ones that wish the marriage no harm.

Meeting any friend who wishes the marriage harm and actually wants to sleep with you again is, I'd suggest, a threatening situation.

And it is a world away from the life-enhancing, non-threatening friendships most of us have with men who don't want to sleep with us and wish our marriages well.

NorthernSky · 11/06/2010 15:17

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 11/06/2010 15:26

Yes absolutely. But I think there is a difference between outright jealousy and a little "twinge".

I have seen so many affairs develop because people put their heads in the sand about an unsafe friendship (on both sides). And also I very often think that people wrongly assume they are immune to a bit of flattery and because they think their marriage is bomb-proof, fail to react when there are warning signals about someone's intentions.

Talking it over with a partner really helps in this respect, because that partner will not be so blind-sighted about someone's intentions.

If a friendship is openly conducted and the conversations are not secret or in the habit of sharing intimacies about eachother's relationships, there is nothing to worry about. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel happy for your partner to develop a similar friendship with this person.

foureleven · 11/06/2010 15:51

oh harrierhorn i am soooo sorry what a twat. That is the secoond time this week i have assumed someone on here is a woman.. and i call myself a feminist!

harrierhom · 11/06/2010 15:57

Thats no problem, i am gladto be able to talk to people, and i guess in a way its nice to get a womans opinion.

If youhave looked at my cheating thrad, youll see that I am in need of advice. The last woman ispoke to about my situation told my partner straight after and funnily enough things changed. I now read it as changed het habits as to not get discovered again.

Sorry all for the HiJack abd foureleven I will happily talk this on my am i being cheated thread.

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FlameOverThinks · 11/06/2010 23:03

I have only read OP (sorry I know that's rude).

I am the jealous one. It comes down to a lack of self esteem.

If DH is spending time with other people, then in my little warped mind it is that he is happy without me.

It is not his fault. It is something I am trying to get under control (we have separated atm with that being a huge factor).

I have always seen it as a natural emotion, but mine is more extreme and that DH is a freak for not feeling any jealousy. It is only since I have been learning about it more I have realised that it is not the norm.

It is immensely destructive. The partner can do nothing right - stopping seeing all friends will make them miserable. Answering all the questions about who she is etc. will only lead to more questions as we won't believe you anyway. Lying will lead to less trust with reason.

It is taking real physical effort to try and reprogramme my brain - both counselling and saying aloud things like "I am happy when I am with friends. I am not happy because I am not with him. Therefore he is happy because he is with friends and not as a result of not being with me". I can say that many times in a hour day.

This weekend he has gone to a festival with a female friend. I am a hell of a lot calmer than I would have been 6 months ago. You can train yourself out of jealousy, but it is a hell of a job and you have to want to do it.

FlameOverThinks · 11/06/2010 23:09

Ok, I have now scrolled back - Foureleven... in my case it hasn't mattered how transparent DH has been over the years, I still haven't trusted him, have been jealous, made wild accusations. None of which have ever been true.

It is unfortunate that he has only stood up to me and kept his most recent female friend when the rest of our marriage started to go tits up. I wish he had done it years ago with the very first friend I scared off