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Give me some support not to back down over asking DH to leave until he addresses his anger issues

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curlywurlycremeegg · 27/05/2010 10:41

I have been a MN poster for a good few years but have only been lurking recently as I just don't have the time to post.
I really need some support at the moment to help me stay stong and focused on what is right. I have four children, DS1 is 14 and does not see his biological father due to DV issues, I cut contact with his dad whilst I was pregnant and there has been no real contact past the first couple of month of his life. When he was 4 I met my DH, I was self sufficient, had bought my own house, re trained as a health professional and coped well, with lots of support from my parents with childcare due to the eratic shift pattern of my job not fitting "normal" childcare providers.
DH was in the armed forces, he lived about a 3 hour drive away from us and when he came home at the weekend or on leave he stayed at my house. I think because of this things moved quite quickly, we were married within a year of being together and he left the army a few years later. During this time I still lived in my house and he was living a barracks miles away, still coming home at weekends.
We moved to a bigger house when he left the army and he been renovating it slowly over the past 7 years. In that time I also gave birth to DD, aged 5, DS2, aged 3 and then found myself pregnant again. It wasn't planned and my periods had not returned as I was still breastfeeding. I was absolutly gutted, I was exhausted and really did not think I could cope with caring for another child, however DH would not listen to my fears and told me that if I had a termination our marriage would be over.
DS3 was 1 yeaterday and although I love him to bits I am totally exhausted, he gets very little of my time, DS1 has aspergers syndrome and a lot of my time is taken with helping him cope with day to day issues, DS2 is showing many signs of an ASD and I am awaiting a paediatric appointment to have him reviewed, however I am really struggling to cope with his distructive and aggressive behaviour and obviously with all this going on DD, who has no ASD issues as far I am concerned, is "playing up" to get attention.
On top of all this we had some building work done whilst I was pregnant with DD and about 2 years ago became suspicious that there was a problem with the work. We had a structural engineer come to appraise the work and found it had not been built to plan by the builder and the roof on our housr has failed as a result of this. It is going to cost in the region of £30,000 to repair and have had to get solicitors involved as the builder had no insurance, despite telling us he had at the time. This has added anothe £8,000 worth of solicitors fees and legal reports in the last 18 months with the builder frequently disappearing of the face of the earth. Consequently we are both stressed. I cannot go back to work as we cannot afford the childcare or fit the care pattern around DH's work. We have no relatives to help, my parents are both in ill health and his mum works and his dad just doesn't do childcare , not that I am expecting them to look after my family whilst I work, it's just these are exeptional circumstances.
Anyway, he has always had avery short fuse and will get very angry easily. Over the past six months this has resulted in a lot of shouting at the children and making their behaviour worse. I also feel as if I am constantly treading on eggshells and trying to smooth things over before they occur. His has had very angry explosions which I have felt have been disturbing for the children and asked him to get some anger management, however he has refused saying he "isn't ready yet".
On Christmas Eve he lost his temper with DS2 (DS2 in the bath with DD and grabbed her by the hair and pulled her across the bath) and slapped him across his back so hard he left a hand print. If it had been any other day DH would have been out of the house with my proverbial foot up his backside quicker that he could have taken a breath. However it was Christmas Eve and I felt like I had to hold the family together for the kids, stupidly I never really sorted things out, despite telling DH what would happen if he ever laid a finger on one of the kids again.
Since then his anger has been verbal and against inanimate objects. This morning there was an arguememnt between him and DS1 about creal (FFS!) basicaly we ask the kids to make sure they have a different cereal every day as DS1 has a habit of eating the same one until there is none left and the others may not have had any of it. DH isnisted DS1 had not had a certain cereal, DS1 insisted he had it yesterday, I agreed with DS1 as I saw him eat it and DH flew of the handle, screamin and shouting, hitting the back door, I asked him why he always had to be correct and why he could accept that he may have made a mistake. I was ver calm and did not raise my voice, DH then hit my laptop screen with his shoe until it broke. DD and DS2 were crying in another room and I told DH to leave and not come back until he had undergone some counseling. His reply was that it just wasn't going to happen. He's gone to work now, I have been expecting some sort of grovelling text but that hasn't happened (not that I would have accepted it).
I am just so overwhelmed about how I am going to keep things "normal" for the children, getting them all to their activities and am dreading the fall out at bed time when there is no one else around. Please give me a boost and a bit of moral support.

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curlywurlycremeegg · 27/05/2010 10:42

Soory it's so long, I just needed to get it out. Feeling a bit down and sorry for myself now.

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TrappedinSuburbia · 27/05/2010 10:45

I would text him and tell him not to come home today and that if he did you would be calling the police. End of.

malinkey · 27/05/2010 10:53

Hi Curly, sorry to hear you're having such a stressful time. Sounds like you have a lot on your plate to deal with without your DH behaving like an arse.

I know it probably all seems a bit overwhelming with so many things on your list but maybe if you think about what is the most important you can put things in perspective. What do you think DH will do now? Is he likely to take any notice of what you have said? Or will he just turn up tonight and pretend it hasn't happened?

FWIW I think you are absolutely right to tell him to go away and concentrate on your children. Maybe without him around shouting and upsetting everyone things might be a bit calmer and the DCs won't play up as much?

You sounds like a very strong person and you will cope. Money can be a big cause of stress but there are ways around it and you will survive. Could you sell up and move somewhere smaller for example?

Anyway, you are entitled to feel sorry for yourself sometimes but hope you know you are doing the right thing.

Snorbs · 27/05/2010 10:53

Oh wow How awful for you and your children. I'm really sorry you're facing this.

Please, PLEASE call Women's Aid on 0808 2000 247. They will be able to help you. Keep strong.

curlywurlycremeegg · 27/05/2010 10:54

Trapped, thanks, I have no problem with keeping him away from the family home today, I am just scared about having to sort out the future, contact with the children, trying to find a way to be able to afford to stay in the family house as it is essential for keeping things as stable as poss for DS1 etc.
I feel so isolated atm, my RL friends have drooped me like a stone since DS3 was born as I haven't been able to just drop things and see them.

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whatname · 27/05/2010 10:56

oh dear lord that's awful.
He can't hit the children, he just can't.
he needs to move out until if and when he gets help
they are in danger

curlywurlycremeegg · 27/05/2010 10:59

malinkey, thank you, I though he may turn up but after everyone has gone to bed, however I have had an email from him saying he is sorry (not that I am in the slightest bit interested) and asking if I can put some stuff in a bag for him to collect and also saying I should start divorce proceedings, it all seems so final, but I guess thats the way it has to be.

snorbs, I am too embaressed to phone women's aid, been there, done that and then got suckered back into another stupid relationship...I thought I was too savy for it to happen again.

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cestlavielife · 27/05/2010 11:03

oh yes you doing right thing - DONT let him back...where is he? can he go stay with friends?

does he seem apologetic? begging to come back or really recognising the issue?

is very scary tos ee adult breaking/hitting things...

dyu have health visitor? can you call and ask sure start help, volunteers, someone to come assist with day to day stuff?

also call womens aid yes. they can help with longer term legal stuff etc...

malinkey · 27/05/2010 11:04

Please don't be embarrassed to phone Women's Aid. You really need some support, even if just to talk through the practicalities.

I wouldn't necessarily take his word about starting divorce proceedings as being the end of things either. He might still turn up and try and talk you round.

curlywurlycremeegg · 27/05/2010 11:12

cestlavielife, he is at work, reading his email I think the penny has now dropped with him, it was such a stupid, trivial thing that statred the whole rage this morning. I think he will end up sleeping at his parent's house, although he won't tell them what has happened (that's what the army does for you!) and they will probably wonder why I have chucked him out. To make matters worse everyone is supposed to be coming here on Sat for DS3's party so will have my parents and sister and the ILs and SILs with nieces and newphews. That is going to be a tough day.....especially if DD blurts out what has been going on, as 5 year olds often do!

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malinkey · 27/05/2010 11:16

You don't need to keep it to yourself though. Can't you talk to your parents or sister or SILs? You need some RL support, you don't need to pretend that everything is ok.

curlywurlycremeegg · 27/05/2010 11:22

I don't feel like I can talk to my parents about it, I just don't have that sort of relationship with them. I love them to bits but my mum would worry and faff and not really get the picture. They still have no idea why DS1 doesn't have any contact with his dad. I am also not that close to my sister, again I love her and I know she would do anything for my children, but having never had "deep" conversations with her before I would feel very uncomforatable doing so now and probably sugar coat the whole thing to make it a bit easier. Now I could take to one of my SIL but how do you tell them what a shit their brother has been. Would it be unkind of me to talk to my SIL about it all?

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whatname · 27/05/2010 11:26

not unkind, you talk to whoever you need to.

malinkey · 27/05/2010 11:32

It depends how close you are to SIL, how close she is to your P? Does she know what he's like? You don't have to say he's been a shit, just explain what's happened. If she's any sense she'll know he's been a shit. And I don't necessarily think it's unkind to talk to her, just depends on your relationship with her really.

For example, I know that if I left my OH I could probably talk to my MIL about it - though I would draw the line about our lack of sex life. But actually I have probably told her more about our relationship problems than any of my friends partly because I am too ashamed to tell them and partly because she understands as she knows what he's like and doesn't see him as some kind of angel just because he's her son. But I know that because she has brought the subject up herself before.

You do need as much support as you can get and as your sister would do anything for your DCs maybe you could try and talk to her. She might surprise you and might be pleased if you didn't sugar coat stuff for her.

shimmerysilverglitter · 27/05/2010 11:35

No it wouldn't be unkind, I used to talk to my SIL about stuff with her brother and she was brilliant and supportive with real insight because he was her brother. I found it incredibly helpful as she validated my feelings of him being abusive by telling me of various occasions before he even met me when he was like that, while also helping me to understand his childhood and why he was like that. It was very apparent how he was treating me and she didn't take sides but gave me great advice in a "I am speaking to you as a friend not a SIL" kind of way.

I think you are very brave and doing totally the right thing, it is not easy but hitting the kids is a total deal breaker as you are clearly aware.

His easy acceptance of the situation, request to pack a bag and start divorce proceedings seems a little manipulative to me, as if trying to take things to the highest level so you might back down. Don't, whatever you do.

curlywurlycremeegg · 27/05/2010 11:43

SIL had her DS2 a few weeks after I had DD, we both had older children with partners who were no longer in their lives so we grew quite close. I don't see as much of her now as I used to as she is back at work and I have had DS2 and DS3 so am not! However she does make comments about how her brother is just like her dad who can also be a bit of an idiot about things and dig his heels in on issues. I think she would be the person I would find easiest to talk to and I think it would get back to my PIL, I couldn't talk directly to my MIL, she pretty much thinks the sun shines out of her son's backside !

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curlywurlycremeegg · 27/05/2010 11:48

Thank you so much everyone who has listened to me and replied this morning. I feel stronger and I will not back down. I am going to do some housework now and feed DS3. I will keep poping back to the thread so please keep chatting with me, it has reminded me how great MN is.

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NicknameTaken · 27/05/2010 13:25

Wow, what a huge amount of stress you have on your plate! That's really tough. I think it's a good idea to talk to your SIL. No advice but good luck!

malinkey · 27/05/2010 13:27

Yes, from your description I'd say your SIL would be a good person to speak to. I think it's good to get it out in the open with people who know your OH as it makes it more 'real'.

Good luck.

mumonthenet · 27/05/2010 15:06

Sorry you have so much on your plate at the moment.

My advice would be:

Stay strong, do not let your H back in the house tonight.

Don't look on this episode as (necessarily) the end of your dreams. Look on it as an opportunity to force your H to get help with his anger issues. He really needs to understand that his behaviour is not acceptable. This is probably the only way he will get the picture.

This is your opportunity to make sure that he, your children, your parents, your siblings, your friends, neighbours, the postman, ...understand that you will not tolerate violence/abuse (which is what this is whether it's the laptop screen or a child's back). It is a valuable message to anyone and it might just save your marriage.

Do not worry about what people think or about the party. Those who matter won't mind and those who mind...don't matter!

curlywurlycremeegg · 27/05/2010 16:01

Well he has been back, arrived just as I was leaving to collect DD from school. He was gone by the time I got back, hasn't taken much by the looks of it and I have no idea where he has gone, I assume his parents house. His email appologises for breaking my laptop but not for his behaviour so I am not sure he really thinks he has done anything wrong. He says he will move back in when we start the reroofing project and I can move into my mums as planned "so we don't have to see each other" and that I can start "whatever divorce proceedings you want". FGS why cant he just be a man and bloody sort himself out. Just went to check what he had taken from the wardrobe and found his wedding suit, cant believe I am getting upset over him!

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shimmerysilverglitter · 27/05/2010 16:14

Yes you will be and I suspect he probably knows that. My ex used to do this, I would tell him had to leave because his behaviour was so unacceptable, he would then pack and make arrangements to do so in a very cool, distant manner, making me wonder how he could give up on "us" so easily. Obviously the pain is immense so I would then offer him another chance to sort himself out and thus we are right back where we started with his behaviour having been accepted by the fact that was still there.

You do know you are doing the right thing don't you? I suspect his tactics will change as you continue down this road and he will probably become abusive and unpleasant. I would put money on it in fact.

BlingLoving · 27/05/2010 16:17

Clearly this is a very stressful time for both of you. Unfortunately, he doesn't appear to have the tools in place for him to cope with that stress. I think you are doing the right thing in making it clear that you will not be putting up with this behaviour, however, I would say if you don't want your marriage to be over it is worth reiterating to him that you love him but that you cannot love his behaviour. It sounds to me like he is in deep denial about his behaviour in which case he's quite likely to be telling you to go ahead with divorce as it's an easy way for him to remain "innocent" and not have to deal with his issues.

I think you should respond to his email saying that you don't want to get a divorce as you see that as a last resort, especially as you still love him, but that you desperately want him to sort out some of these issues which affect you and the children. Explain to him that his behaviour is extreme, unacceptable and very scary for the DC.

Many people on here will tell you to get rid of him ASAP. But I think people deserve a chance - if the key issue is that he can't deal with his stress and/or anger, if he finds a way to manage that there is no reason you can't carry on with your relationship. Before DH and I got married we had a similar (but less intense) situation. Like your DH, he would occassionally apologise for breaking something for the way I felt but would never accept that his behaviour was unacceptable. It came to a head eventually when after one of these situations I told him I would not marry him if he didn't get help. He did. And it has been incredible what a difference it has made.

curlywurlycremeegg · 27/05/2010 16:20

I know I am doing the right thing it's just this morning seems so long ago and I am facing an evening at home with all four children. I feel mean for taking daddy away, DD, DS2 and DS3 will have no real concept that it's for the best and suddenly I feel usueless again. I have tried to open a sole bank account with the bank we have the mortgage and joint account with. However as I have no earned income I can't even get an overdraft facility. I can't go back to work as I have no childcare to cover the shifts and I just feel trapped, I used to be the main wage earner and now I cant even get some help from my bank whilst he can just swan off and get on with things pretty much as usual because he can still go to work.

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shimmerysilverglitter · 27/05/2010 16:23

Well he still has responsibilities to your dc and to financially support you.

I feel very for you, it is a very difficult time. But remember you didn't cause this, he did. This happened because your giant toddler of a H couldn't control his temper and thinks it is ok to lose control, break other peoples things and most importantly terrorise children when he has the hump about something.

I can't imagine for a moment you would have asked him to leave unless his behaviour was totally unacceptable.

Do you have friends or family nearby who could come and give you a hand for a couple of nights?