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Give me some support not to back down over asking DH to leave until he addresses his anger issues

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curlywurlycremeegg · 27/05/2010 10:41

I have been a MN poster for a good few years but have only been lurking recently as I just don't have the time to post.
I really need some support at the moment to help me stay stong and focused on what is right. I have four children, DS1 is 14 and does not see his biological father due to DV issues, I cut contact with his dad whilst I was pregnant and there has been no real contact past the first couple of month of his life. When he was 4 I met my DH, I was self sufficient, had bought my own house, re trained as a health professional and coped well, with lots of support from my parents with childcare due to the eratic shift pattern of my job not fitting "normal" childcare providers.
DH was in the armed forces, he lived about a 3 hour drive away from us and when he came home at the weekend or on leave he stayed at my house. I think because of this things moved quite quickly, we were married within a year of being together and he left the army a few years later. During this time I still lived in my house and he was living a barracks miles away, still coming home at weekends.
We moved to a bigger house when he left the army and he been renovating it slowly over the past 7 years. In that time I also gave birth to DD, aged 5, DS2, aged 3 and then found myself pregnant again. It wasn't planned and my periods had not returned as I was still breastfeeding. I was absolutly gutted, I was exhausted and really did not think I could cope with caring for another child, however DH would not listen to my fears and told me that if I had a termination our marriage would be over.
DS3 was 1 yeaterday and although I love him to bits I am totally exhausted, he gets very little of my time, DS1 has aspergers syndrome and a lot of my time is taken with helping him cope with day to day issues, DS2 is showing many signs of an ASD and I am awaiting a paediatric appointment to have him reviewed, however I am really struggling to cope with his distructive and aggressive behaviour and obviously with all this going on DD, who has no ASD issues as far I am concerned, is "playing up" to get attention.
On top of all this we had some building work done whilst I was pregnant with DD and about 2 years ago became suspicious that there was a problem with the work. We had a structural engineer come to appraise the work and found it had not been built to plan by the builder and the roof on our housr has failed as a result of this. It is going to cost in the region of £30,000 to repair and have had to get solicitors involved as the builder had no insurance, despite telling us he had at the time. This has added anothe £8,000 worth of solicitors fees and legal reports in the last 18 months with the builder frequently disappearing of the face of the earth. Consequently we are both stressed. I cannot go back to work as we cannot afford the childcare or fit the care pattern around DH's work. We have no relatives to help, my parents are both in ill health and his mum works and his dad just doesn't do childcare , not that I am expecting them to look after my family whilst I work, it's just these are exeptional circumstances.
Anyway, he has always had avery short fuse and will get very angry easily. Over the past six months this has resulted in a lot of shouting at the children and making their behaviour worse. I also feel as if I am constantly treading on eggshells and trying to smooth things over before they occur. His has had very angry explosions which I have felt have been disturbing for the children and asked him to get some anger management, however he has refused saying he "isn't ready yet".
On Christmas Eve he lost his temper with DS2 (DS2 in the bath with DD and grabbed her by the hair and pulled her across the bath) and slapped him across his back so hard he left a hand print. If it had been any other day DH would have been out of the house with my proverbial foot up his backside quicker that he could have taken a breath. However it was Christmas Eve and I felt like I had to hold the family together for the kids, stupidly I never really sorted things out, despite telling DH what would happen if he ever laid a finger on one of the kids again.
Since then his anger has been verbal and against inanimate objects. This morning there was an arguememnt between him and DS1 about creal (FFS!) basicaly we ask the kids to make sure they have a different cereal every day as DS1 has a habit of eating the same one until there is none left and the others may not have had any of it. DH isnisted DS1 had not had a certain cereal, DS1 insisted he had it yesterday, I agreed with DS1 as I saw him eat it and DH flew of the handle, screamin and shouting, hitting the back door, I asked him why he always had to be correct and why he could accept that he may have made a mistake. I was ver calm and did not raise my voice, DH then hit my laptop screen with his shoe until it broke. DD and DS2 were crying in another room and I told DH to leave and not come back until he had undergone some counseling. His reply was that it just wasn't going to happen. He's gone to work now, I have been expecting some sort of grovelling text but that hasn't happened (not that I would have accepted it).
I am just so overwhelmed about how I am going to keep things "normal" for the children, getting them all to their activities and am dreading the fall out at bed time when there is no one else around. Please give me a boost and a bit of moral support.

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curlywurlycremeegg · 27/05/2010 16:23

Bling I have told him before that it's his stubborness in not wanting to get him that is tearing our family apart, he just will not speak to anyone. He does seem to agree there is an issue at times, however has not made one tiny effort to arrange and counselling. I am angry and sad in equal measures at the moment.

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curlywurlycremeegg · 27/05/2010 16:27

Shimmery, I don't have any friends really, my life has just been so all consuming for the past few years that I haven't had much time to go out and friends have just stopped asking and haven't replied to emails/texts. One person who I would have considered to be my best friend this time last year, still hasn't met DS3, who was 1 yesterday. I have to go and pull myslef together before I collect DS2 from nursery. Sorry for being so negative.

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shimmerysilverglitter · 27/05/2010 16:29

You are not being negative. My life is very similar, I moved away from my home town and all my friends are abroad or still there. When you have dc and your friends don't things tail off. I have lots of phone contact with my parents and SIL's but no real friends that I could call upon.

Whereabouts are you if you don't mind me asking?

Lulumaam · 27/05/2010 16:36

I am very sorry, really very sorry to hear this

stay strong.

you are doing the absolute right thing, neither you nor the chidlren deserve this abuse.

this time he smashed up your laptop, next time, it could be your face. or the DCs.

have you spoken to womens' aid?

you should try to see a solicitor or CAB at some point

GetOrfMoiLand · 27/05/2010 16:36

You poor bugger

i feel very sorry for you - what a hell of a lot of stress you have had to deal with over the past few years.

You emphatically should NOt be left in a financial hole, please try and make an appointment with citizens advice, they are wonderfully helpful. Also don't feel ashamed about going to Womans Aid - you have used them before so you know what the deal is with them. Don't flagellate yourself for having got into another relationship with violence in it, it's not your bloody fault.

You have both been under the most incredible amount of strain, perhaps you couldforgive his behaviour if yoru DH had any kind of self perception and looked to try and fix his behaviour. However he seems to have his head in teh sand.

That whole cool, calm, collected approach is typical. My XDP (violent) used to do it. never showed any emotion, just quietly disagree with me and tie me up in knots. i would then think I imagined the lot.

Please try and speak to your SIL if you are close. You do need some RL help.

tortoiseonthehalfshell · 28/05/2010 02:31

How are you doing today, curlywurly?

thumbwitch · 28/05/2010 02:43

Oh OP - horrible situation.

I am a bit surprised he has told you to start divorce proceedings just like that - do you think he is calling your bluff or he really means it? If he really means it then for sure your marriage is over, if he can't be bothered to even try to save it.

I suppose he sees getting any kind of therapy as a weakness and therefore couldn't imagine doing it.

Hope that you get a good night's rest anyway and that the party goes well for you tomorrow. Is he likely to turn up to it? Do talk to people - there is no shame or weakness in what is happening, and you need the support and help of people around you.
Abusive behaviour is the fault of the abuser - i.e. your H - not you. Remember that.

mumonthenet · 28/05/2010 10:44

of course he doesn't really mean it when he says make the divorce arrangements...he's trying to shift the blame back to you, and avoid all responsibility for his abuse. So he can say to himself/others - Curly chucked me out and is starting divorce proceedings...I don't know why....

Trust yourself, your response to his violence was correct. Now, GET SOME HELP. Call CB, WA, get all the support you can. Be quite clear in you mind about what happened, tell them all if necessary, the screaming shouting, violent outbursts towards things or people, damage to your property, terrified children crying in another room.

Don't even discuss the laptop screen or divorce with him, just repeat over and over again....I do not want you in the house until you have arrangements in place to resolve your anger issues.

You can do it...not easy but you can do it.

curlywurlycremeegg · 28/05/2010 15:00

Thanks everyone, had a busy morning so not been around. Well I got a few texts from him last night about wanting to come over and sort things out, I sent a message back saying I wasn't ready to talk but he still came round and let himself in!
He was very blunt, asking what were we going to do about the mortgage/joint accounts/seeing the children etc. I pointed out that it had been less than 15 hours since he had left and I had been a bit busy to thibk about that sort of thing, I had only just got the children in bed and asleep. I then find out that he hasn't told his parents (he usually pops round to see them in his lunchbreak as he works just round the corner) as he was too embarassed so was going to sleep in his car , he really isn't thinking things through at all, his plan is sleep in car, go to gym and have shower in the morning, go to work.....I have no idea how he thinks he is going to wash his clothes when he runs out!
Sorry for sounding so filppant but things just seem bizzare. I told him there was no way back unless he agreed to anger management and he said there was no point as it wouldn't work! When I got to the bottom of it he meant that he felt that it wouldn't change the way I felt about him. He feels the stress is only because of the building work issues, however I feel it is a much bigger thing and when we have finally completed the court case there will be another thing to stress him as that is what life is like. Anyway I basically said go away as I am going to bed now, so off he went.
Only to return in the early hours as it was chucking in down here overnight and his car is a slightly unweatherproof Landrover Defender that has been used frequently for offroading. I was woken up by him (having let himself in again) saying could he stay as the Landrover was leaking (I am now nearly PMSL at what on earth must be going on in his mind, I am one of those people who laugh at very inappropriate times TBH, mostly when I am anxious). So he slept on the sofa, said he would be gone before the children woke up, which didn't happen. This morning he told me he had looking into counselling but it was very expensive so I told him of some places he could get it for free, to which he replied there was the possibility of doing it via email . I vetoed that idea quickly as what is the point, if a counsellor can't see your body language then they really aren't getting the true picture are they. So off he went to work, I said I was prepared to talk tonight when the children were alseep and would text him then.
I have just had a text from him saying he has signed up to some stress and anger management counselling with work so I will have an open chat with him about that tonight.
I don't want my marriage to be over and to split my family up, I truly hope he will take onboard my concerns with his behaviour. I will not allow him to move back in until he has worked his way through this counselling and I am going to encourage him to speak to his parents and move in there. He may be a shit but he can't go on living in his car. Thank you all so much for helping me through the first though 24 hours, I got through it and feel so much stronger for doing so. I am sure I will need your support to continue on this journey and if it wasn't so unMN like I would end some virtual hugs to you all. Today I can again, it's only early days and I won't be giving in with DH, but I know I can manage on my own with the children and am now looking forward to DS3's party tomorrow.

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thumbwitch · 28/05/2010 15:13

Good stuff curly, I think. Hope he follows through with it all, though I don't like his "it won't work" attitude - he needs to change that to "I'll give it a go and see if it helps" attitude or he'll just resist and resist and then say "told you it wouldn't work".

Fingers crossed for you.

mumonthenet · 28/05/2010 18:36

Well done Curly, his letting himself in was obviously an attempt to see if you would let it pass again. You showed him this time you mean it. Keep meaning it.

Demand details of this course he's signed up for.

Insist he arranges proper accommodation for himself.

Do not for a moment let him suggest that you have any responsibility for this state of affairs.

His suggestion that Anger Management might not change your feelings about him sounds like a slight attempt to draw you into taking some responsibility.

Ensure that he understands that this was not just anger but ABUSE.

Ensure that he understands that you hold him 100 per cent responsible for his behaviour.

You have done really well.

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